From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 08:16:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2641065676; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A348FC0A; Mon, 12 May 2008 08:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-73-161-238.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.73.161.238]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0K0Q00ADLWWVRO00@smtp5.clear.net.nz>; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:00:33 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:00:30 +1200 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <20080512074541.GA4667@eos.sc1.parodius.com> To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-id: <4827F91E.60102@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <29626.214.13.212.30.1210554531.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net> <53004.80.91.220.50.1210576570.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net> <20080512072316.GA3845@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <58131.80.91.220.50.1210577810.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net> <20080512074541.GA4667@eos.sc1.parodius.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080419) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, jonathan@kc8onw.net Subject: Re: ATA APM and NCQ support in FreeBSD atacontrol X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:16:05 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > I am too, but PRs that are 2 years old which include patches for severe > bugs that affect reliability of RAID is (in my opinion) not acceptable. > I've been spanked over saying this before ("you don't understand how > open source works"), but necessity easily supercedes idealism. > > Linux's libata has evolved very quickly and very well, and has multiple > eyes familiar with the code (in the case the author takes vacation, > etc.). It has the upper hand here. > > Linux has more eyes period, which helps a lot. In addition Linux has more commercial sponsorship - having said that, I've no idea if libdata development has had any such sponsorship... However. I do agree that we (that is FreeBSD) need more folks brave enough to help Soren out with the (S)ATA layer - that means people like you or me deciding to get our hands dirty with this code... best wishes Mark