Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:20:07 -0800 From: Chris <bsd@1command.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fresh install on gmirror'ed disks? Message-ID: <20060303162007.ytd85n0a0w44so4c@webmail.1command.com> In-Reply-To: <20060304105721.55581@caamora.com.au> References: <44077E79.2080708@rogers.com> <200603030545.45427.joao@matik.com.br> <4408607C.9040703@rogers.com> <200603031726.02094.joao@matik.com.br> <4408A8C1.3060303@rogers.com> <20060303215433.GA26907@nowhere> <20060304105721.55581@caamora.com.au>
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Quoting jonathan michaels <jlm@caamora.com.au>: > craig and the rest of the gang ... > > On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:54:33PM -0600, Craig Boston wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 03:36:17PM -0500, Mike Jakubik wrote: > > with some chunks removed for brevity ... > >> > It takes much more work, time, and complexity to 1) boot cd and >> > install os 2) reboot to os and follow a complex procedure to setup >> > geom based raid than it does to 1) boot cd, make gmirror with >> > installer, install os. >> >> Well, honestly, someone who is knowledgeable enough to set up a complex >> _bootable_ geom based raid on an existing install would probably find it >> easier to do what I usually do: >> >> 1) Boot install CD and go to fixit mode >> 2) Set up RAID the way I want >> 3) Do a manual install by extracting the packages onto the new filesyste= m > > this procedure makes sence to me .. perhaps you would be so kind as to > forward it to teh doc's people to have it included in a) the relevent > RAID sections and b) the places that talk about initial installation > and rebuiling a system with the explicit inten of adding/converting it > it a network storage facility come RAID network media/hdd procidor > facility. i've never had need for RAID i prefer to rely on my QIC > storage its guarenteed for 20 (twenty) years storage/shelf life thats > good enough for me. > > i think that RAID would be a good thing to add to a -STABLE system as > most beginners (sorta like me thionugh i've been in teh freebsd camp of > a bit over ten years now. i have a small network here that services > several remote dialups we are building a text bibliogarphy/latex based > document[ation-ing] system .. back to unixen grass roots ... grin. > >> That avoids the intermediate install and the hassle of migrating >> partitions around. > > yup that sounds really good to me and when properly documented it would > be a good feature to have at least to be able to say "go to page > blabla" of the doc's set/handbook/or probably the FAQ set. > >> That said, I think it might be a good idea to have a few simple RAID >> configurations in the installer -- say a full-disk mirror or something >> relatively fool-resistant. I'm sure patches would be welcome if anyone >> wants to step up :) > > craig, RAID no matter how simple is a step of complexity that is not > warrented for the "Installer" as most people new to freebsd are new to > unix and these days new to computing in general or have just enough ms > windows under their belts/skirts to be a bloody nuisance to themselves > and to every body else untill they get to a point where they are > familiar with the language, understand reasonably well how things fit > together and can handle html/a browser with some degree of competance, > > i make this observation based upon my own experience and that of > several peoples who have come to freebsd from linux a few from vaxen > days and a fair contingent with a resionable gradiet from got my > computer yesterday to got this miserable hard-disk replaced for teh 4th > time and it still keeps on filling up over night, why do thes dhard > disks keep filling up so quickly ??? This will (in more cases than not) lead to the necessary knowledge. I would have to disagree with you last section here. I've been with */BSD/i for about 10yrs. and computers even longer. My experience indicates that stupidity (ignorance) is the most loathed, best, and most effective Teacher/ Professor that Life's experience has to offer. Further; I don't think that it is a reason/ excuse to leave the option out of install. It *almost* robs an individual from the opprotunity to become more learned/ educated/ versed in the "goings on" and abilities of *BSD(i). It also provides a "new" user with the knowledge of the power that *BSD(i) has to offer. And (even) further more; it (*BSD(i)) is *really* intended for (somewhat/ seasoned) administrators and ISP(s) (synonymous?) anyway. So why deprive them for the sake of others? :) None of this was stated out of anger or malice. I just felt the need to skeak my 2=A2 worth. :) Best wishes. --Chris > > with kind regards > > jonathan > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > powered by .. > QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system > =3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D appropriate solution in an inappropriate world =3D= =3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Microsoft: Disc space -- the final frontier! ---------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD 5.5-PRERELEASE (SMP) MAIL04 Fri Feb 24 16:59:38 PST 2006 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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