From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Nov 23 01:02:24 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9D3DFA3EF for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DE7472E35 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id g130so15412272wme.0 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:02:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=2bNPR/ttzifI+VwMPQAdg4pp9l0kJX4sGLezjyd7uWE=; b=Iu45jMmkGr00RLgs4yZ5lMvHIr8ZrGE/XprMcvsXr9LKSAtlq1IMXH2/7kFf+ZJVQZ M1CMBIro7CJaxJdzqrFkUzyeA95LOnZAeVHGE+epqT3bB4uMJNkKV+tjz2wYBCAXBZ9g 5UcOVFIzptLEXIVLkIrfUl2CZKHdlk8v1Vhjijej/ZjTTU3Ft6DMK6WEtBNxTpXR8SW0 H4HuM3Z1/c8K+rkTQACenw07Vr8YBxdKRe/AspuHPHQFKsDKpqlnRaLNFaY/wme4Zgv8 vRGSwef+stFf+ifqYpbbvaW/Tp70wmC8wdoXo+xr+9Km9Tq6bJImXtbK7x9YehIsMurH tdpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2bNPR/ttzifI+VwMPQAdg4pp9l0kJX4sGLezjyd7uWE=; b=Hc/Mx8ndNErri47RsmrZKgS5omMKx/l+OZiVmpMeWlnej148NxbJZVHiK6fl1lLvRW 74N/e3JZkEPAJrhAmfLQdSdoBTY8Q9wk2rPSHZPJAUvLkJ7r66t9e5dI23JNMROEjnrP DRjho9qPQ3j0Ee5n7MYFAZyy4CdSSJyc1++bbjBFJ4iW5jbBIAsxaWcO3FezFvKus5FK kLFIv+gRzmEY2mT9VGWyrxBMnR/RXKoYxlyMFouQCMrxHJHvWxa07ITdUElSWhi8BywG v1JY/q2B06CaPRMoDxmMQlT75pWtk+F02fmg64onungUMzbcCq1WiEn5qp7YUYzdlFD+ YffQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6XMn/sEuExsORsOQP+bfXISLMBU2ZjaiPvrTK/pAIJr2ybYbe6 cAyQXr+tzcWjuIUHp47hYHWTNFNcH2vxPVcmqzU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbstFQZRQto0dPOEQ5vUQBemHWqLVZCxTlbIvumYM/Fy93wC2bv163XaAEqPFdqy15n59JywcJsFXC5QNvBoAI= X-Received: by 10.28.111.15 with SMTP id k15mr2538692wmc.139.1511398942565; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:02:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.213.131 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:02:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <58470.1511396312@kaos.jnpr.net> References: <5A15DDFA.8060302@Wilcox-Tech.com> <58470.1511396312@kaos.jnpr.net> From: Adrian Chadd Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 17:02:21 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SSNCYQFip0SNXKMJpws-ZToAHw8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Cc: Warner Losh , "A. Wilcox" , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 01:02:24 -0000 [snip] I'm confused by this. It's 2017. It's not required for building. It's not required for startup. It's not required for logging. It's not required for literally anything except a dumpster fire. Please just move it into ports. I accept that people feel this is some symptom of political correctness, but honestly - to me it's a symptom of us growing the fuck up. (Note - I was 16 when I started trying to use FreeBSD in 1996, so I literally have grown up with this.) We have a thousand other things to do. Please do push some other agendas. This is honestly a brain waster. -adrian