From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 23:18:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E834F56 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A61127D0 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s6KNI6f4029015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: Freebsd-update to 9.3 from 9.2 From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:18:06 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4CA0146F-BD4E-4613-9050-DB0C1FDB7EA4@lafn.org> <53C8B7A2.1060504@my.hennepintech.edu> <494D0D9E-ED60-4187-ABCF-8E18CDEAB911@lafn.org> <53C8E2A7.6000000@my.hennepintech.edu> <7154054C-47D0-454C-8601-3F17095476EC@lafn.org> <066C2341-F26F-4817-B681-97119FB7EB7C@lafn.org> <0A5E66FF-D8B0-4619-91AC-C99BC2AEA04D@lafn.org> <0501F769-338A-4B23-AC7B-DBFC55C9387E@lafn.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Andrew Berg , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:18:10 -0000 On 20 July 2014, at 15:02, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On 20 July 2014, at 11:12, Warren Block wrote: >>=20 >>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 19 July 2014, at 05:27, Warren Block wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2014, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 18 July 2014, at 16:01, Warren Block = wrote: >>>>>>> It's not necessary to delete the source every time. But = /usr/src should be empty before the initial svn checkout, or there will = be files in there that are unmanaged and can cause problems. The = Subversion instructions mention this. (Or at least some of them do, we = have a fair amount of similar sections in different chapters and = sections that need to be combined.) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I didn't find any mention of that in the manual. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There is one here: >>>>>=20 >>>>> = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/svn.html#svn-usa= ge >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Yes there is, now that I understand it. For those who know - its = all there. For those who don't, its not obvious. The focus of the = manual should be different from the man pages. >>>=20 >>> I have reworked that warning to make it more clear. Is there = another place that this should be noted? >>>=20 >>=20 >> Not that I saw. I only saw that note and thought it didn't apply to = me. Wrong again? >=20 > Is there anything else we can do to help make it more clear? I don't = mean to put you on the spot, just that I've found these types of = problems often can be used to make valuable improvements in the = documentation. If you think of somewhere else it should be mentioned, = or a better way to explain it, please let me or the freebsd-doc mailing = list know. >=20 I would appreciate either examples or instructions with examples on how = to setup and properly update a system using svn. Those are the most = common things admins do if they are not involved in the development of = FreeBSD. There used to be some good info on that in the handbook back = when we used cvsup. Think more tutorial and less man page constructs. = If I knew enough about the process, I'd try writing it, but so far most = of the things I have tried have not worked. Only one of the several = systems I have tried to update to use svn and pkg still works.