From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 18 23:08:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F7616A45A for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:08:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3CC343D45 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:08:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matthias.andree@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 May 2006 23:08:32 -0000 Received: from p50911B40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO m2a2.dyndns.org) [80.145.27.64] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 19 May 2006 01:08:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #428038 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E692012E4; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15211-04; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E4C642012EB; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:08:29 +0200 From: Matthias Andree To: Pav Lucistnik Message-ID: <20060518230829.GA15524@merlin.emma.line.org> Mail-Followup-To: Pav Lucistnik , Ion-Mihai IOnut Tetcu , ports@FreeBSD.org, jumper99@gmx.de References: <20060518132527.37c9d23d@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <1147989359.69696.7.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <1147989359.69696.7.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> X-PGP-Key: http://home.pages.de/~mandree/keys/GPGKEY.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at emma.line.org X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, Matthias Andree , Ion-Mihai IOnut Tetcu , jumper99@gmx.de Subject: Re: Attn. "Helmut Schneider" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:08:35 -0000 On Thu, 18 May 2006, Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Matthias Andree p=ED=B9e v =E8t 18. 05. 2006 v 23:32 +0200: > > As I can inject my message directly to GMX, I'm Cc'ing Helmut Schneider. > >=20 > > Ion-Mihai "IOnut" Tetcu writes: > >=20 > > > gmx.de stupidly blocks mails from guys with @freebsd.org emails :) > > > > > > freebsd.org descriptive text "v=3Dspf1 ip4:216.136.204.119 ~all" > > > means that listed ip is _NOT_ the only one legitimate SMTP server for= freebsd.org. > > > > > > This last shit is nothing new as, in my experience, gmx.de is one of = the > > > worse administered email servers. You might want to change your email > > > address to some other service, with at least half-competent admins. > >=20 > > Wrong- the downstream is free to decide what to make of SPF information. >=20 > Wrong - they should respect what the definition of ~all in SPF specs is. Well - they set the policies what to accept. If they choose to refuse all messages that have an "e" in the Subject: header content, you can complain as much as you want, but they're still free to refuse messages just because of "Subject: Re: foo". That they're free to do that or misinterpret SPF doesn't mean I endorse their behavior. The user can stop such nonsense, hence my CC'ing Helmut - no non-delivery notice yet. GMX also say that envelope senders should be subjected to SRS (sender rewriting), but I don't endorse such either. SPF/SRS attack the problem =66rom the wrong end, but that isn't covered by the charter of this list and has been discussed a thousand times in several dozen places. --=20 Matthias Andree