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[209.85.166.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d199sm9538437itd.31.2019.01.08.13.35.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Jan 2019 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-f171.google.com with SMTP id h65so8128335ith.3; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a02:c88:: with SMTP id 8mr2257771jan.87.1546983333108; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1e025f53-fc5e-5b1e-013d-ab9330a0e9db@freebsd.org> <753bc6bf-9269-1ca2-550c-cb7622812a01@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <753bc6bf-9269-1ca2-550c-cb7622812a01@freebsd.org> Reply-To: cem@freebsd.org From: Conrad Meyer Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:35:22 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: GNU-compatible, BSD-licensed bc To: Stefan Esser Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CB07D80E3D X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of csecem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=csecem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.59 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[cem@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.684,0]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[cem@freebsd.org,csecem@gmail.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[cem@freebsd.org,csecem@gmail.com]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.89)[ip: (-8.96), ipnet: 209.85.128.0/17(-3.74), asn: 15169(-1.70), country: US(-0.08)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[45.166.85.209.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 21:35:42 -0000 Hi Stefan, Apologies, I misunderstood the idea. However, it seems like any port that depends on gnubc today could continue to depend on gnubc on older branches until a suitable replacement propagates into stable. (And that would be less work :-).) Best, Conrad On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 2:28 AM Stefan Esser wrote: > Am 08.01.19 um 01:31 schrieb Conrad Meyer:> Hi Stefan, > > > > I don't think there's any reason to put this in ports instead of base. > > If you're arguing that we shouldn't ship any bc in base, that's a fine > > argument to make, but it's off-topic for this discussion. > > Hi Conrad, > > yes, sure, if it passes our tests (I understand that it passes > its own test suite) it should definitely be considered for base. > I did not want to suggest a removal of bc from base at this time. > > But given our release cycle it will take a long time for this bc > to actually occur in a release - that's why I proposed to create > a port that could be depended on by other ports that currently > require GNU bc. > > This would also provide us with more confidence, that this version > is actually a fully compatible replacement for GNU bc. > > > If at some point after that you want to remove bc from base and fix > > all of the fallout of that much larger change, you are welcome to take > > on that (much larger) project. > > No, that's not what I wanted to suggest at this time. An existing > port will reduce the effort required to test removal of bc from > base (if only slightly), but bc is quite useful in base (unlike > e.g. ctm or timed), and I'd expect it to stay ... > > Regards, STefan >