From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 11 20:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24631 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.1.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24624 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (narn-1-117.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.117]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.0) id WAA01491; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:51:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA14951; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:51:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980712035135.ZM14948@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:51:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?_dag-erli=40ifi=2Euio=2Eno_=28Dag-Erling_Coida?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?n_Sm=F8rgrav_=29?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?________=22Re=3A_Microsoft's_breaches_of_contract_=28was?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_FBSD_license_and___multiple_copyright_holders=29=22_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=28Jul_11=2C__9=3A07pm=29?= References: <199807040703.BAA02533@softweyr.com> <19980704165817.D358@freebie.lemis.com> <980704165941.ZM2483@darkstar.connect.com> <19980705102445.L358@freebie.lemis.com> <199807110349.VAA28411@lariat.lariat.org> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Brett Glass , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav_?=) Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders) Cc: Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA24626 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jul 11, 9:07pm, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and mul > Brett Glass writes: > > Interestingly, the Microsoft Windows 95 implementations of a few TCP/IP > > utilities are said to have Berkeley copyright notices in the code, which > > means they're probably derived from FreeBSD utilities. Is Microsoft giving > > credit to the developers? If it isn't, it may be violating the > > Berkeley-style license and thus could be the target of a copyright lawsuit. > > No, you've got it mixed up a bit. > > Microsoft ships the standard BSD ftp client with Windows 95 and NT > (probably 98 too, I haven't checked). If you search the archives for > the beginning of this thread, you'll find I posted an article with the > SCCS ID extracted from the Windows 95 ftp client. > > However, this is *not* the FreeBSD ftp client. They're kinda cousins. > Microsoft uses a plain vanilla 4.x BSD ftp ported to Windows 95, while > FreeBSD has added fifteen tons of nifty features (command-line editing > and file name completion come to mind). > > If you check the ftp(1) code (/usr/src/usr/bin/ftp/) you'll see it > uses the old-style four-clause BSD copyright, which requires all > advertising material for software derived from BSD-licensed code to > include the mention "This product includes software developed by the > University of California, Berkeley and its contributors." > > Obviously, they're not doing it. Equally obviously, nobody so far has > had the balls to challenge this practice. > > DES (who whishes he had a Congressman to write to) > -- > One two, one two, one two. >-- End of excerpt from Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav Are you absolutely sure that your information is correct? Can you provide the goods to prove that this is true? I would love to get that in front of the Wisconsin Attorney General and my congressman. You may not have one to write to, but I would be more than happy to write mine as your proxy. ;-) I hate M$ so much that I would be very happy to pass this on, but I need to be sure that it is correct. Don't want to look like a horse's ass. Regards, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message