From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sat Apr 23 19:41:49 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355CB1A987 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2925919BC for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 19:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id d62so51784278iof.2 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:41:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=JrP/jQSZawrT7WlTFRosm9M6nodPLR2GvECqSdTH5zY=; b=ckjt9CmFSISgxlDOFOEeetS/rawbal2/CW7sIluI1gXu8QMC27w6OOxFTCtLSR0fNt BYOMkmZy0JiLVO+IuoEaifPDsp8VbTOFTN8dMEJ6OhtKWdOpXjg5ztMsnEaPYY20ME0R VfLU2eCvfZ5SIASDLcizqeju2h66arBZdHRvRh3b8wx6IINiujJCpaK+2LO79J7cc7Lm TxvziH/CSDalUGL7LyCGw8eGU4RkQAbvY8stLbDnhSjx/Ha2JJuVfbebKw/OdtnF2Aj6 EZWlMPiRIqIzwdF5rYyd8L5jzxpfbTkPGDVHMNGzg+J1aPU4765Vwu/em/wO1NEnd20D kuKA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=JrP/jQSZawrT7WlTFRosm9M6nodPLR2GvECqSdTH5zY=; b=QoP0fC9EnAsRA6mGhhVa49cIVVHJzrsJ8X4jGyPfo7gH6s8rwRsBJp679YDU+YyP1G NPy4+cczC/a+7UzpTf1CJaDiEaH7B5aRdJnn0J/en7J/Ons3QPx7xVR4ihL7u/R2AFJc /xir2f0M6209GAIAJ/JrMyUqYH6QhmYJiwBIJbzFchtl6fGNGEPyBsGXPny8BRuhQsko Gu9Bxk1Tj+3Cr4G9wAc58X9GUJ2HlMnJRgEC03Og7tuQulmTqRjIiYfAigJu2+EmVr5X 37Zf2FJ9I65GdJKss21MJNcMSTitmX1WR15jXkpgRyxp0bjOg+u+xDvUE1VTso/Qg4P8 KHfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FX9iCNsQOCBT1Eeg9vAqnt0DE0/kJFspGOj5yS9Ge40yW4D8LhfCSIZKTfVT68Inz3kvwrakPn8C+xU6Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.133.229 with SMTP id p98mr1785829ioi.16.1461440508287; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.104.197 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.253.99.174] In-Reply-To: <9BA8C798-C87D-4CA8-9AB3-CEC309AB81A5@rdsor.ro> References: <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <9BA8C798-C87D-4CA8-9AB3-CEC309AB81A5@rdsor.ro> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:41:48 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: _4uD-u2ZEXFldHavhUoFE66NwPI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) From: Warner Losh To: Dan Partelly Cc: Lyndon Nerenberg , Matthew Grooms , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 19:41:49 -0000 On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Dan Partelly wrote: > You says that everything will be OK. I want to believe you. But giving > the track record VIMAGE has, and how many gugs go on and on with years Im > not so sure that you guys wont do the same with this subsystem, and leave > it with rough edges for half a decade. Because we all know that everything > will be OK in the end. Timeframe is also important. I can't help you with your trust issues. I'm saying that feedback has been heard and understood and providing more now while things are in flux to try to address those issues is not likely to be fruitful. Warner