From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 00:43:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D10338AF1 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:43:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dP5g6RzHz4S3l for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.236.150]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MYN3E-1jURfi0pF4-00VTOn; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 02:43:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 02:43:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: dwilde1@gmail.com Cc: Brandon helsley , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-Id: <20200605024331.51b34130.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fOF6un3b+ukF2e/d7bcitbH66NHnDvuWSnFq9q0EZceZYp+IXc6 K4yB42g2uMExBTpEp4Wd4XdQRKdd8HqjwD72SAxMoC2QYjnNEYjMO4CJo0y78B4T4d20s9r nfD39SkixIrjfWyWvGTh8SpNPjBmb8WaYXK3xW9blnf7UPrysLsYu2Rpdg1B/Y9lhEJQzRO /YXxv4xna0zd8v6zE1Qdg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ak8HVukLUBs=:oVNYInRwpvFBW8GHDqOEVo U7fk+E33e19zPz6mhSUUDAjhO73WO73HfppMlYlg2yn8KOA4Qt1uCEpAWTWCBmWInV/03Ezwc +lVPhWotQW38Rg5BPOQXVytgOfIn22f31SO5loLa2aLWrd1Dy4OJThyRGwIYc/yDG4jYIDuhe 05pgFn0b8dn2j993XyPOBuwMhrNNPC1m/eEehwJXCzZ1IgLAis/05elRNvwR5qCk5HE2HiBiw bGcday8FIM+keuC94DxyVlUMV21AKEhzDzQJaqj2CnhngNukptIWhRlj5eMFw4oPmDpNanEz4 Ok7m0L6l2BHr2H8Iba+dZFKfuYubR1T6Uq2E8k9S+4bSS4InhBQ1p7XvNxu3xBCdICdMout0g l3FthHUseapV7oqkoqz8kVkGrxp2C67h506as0pPAPT3pInZA4VO9jccSi5mVouCG9nfDEEH/ O6efFd5xoND7JpKgCLcrseI6Xz55z3m+Et6tIEyy5INL0PM8kkVTiMKQxAzXTPeW9OT0WHxdx ok2rZbHdlEj3mpH4YHcWLHKVZho2Qm+hRvhI7NkXgVaHYsCoObvpIb/zwFv7UP5FxhqK2azts o7WhBaBdBGHcs13+wQBA2Y30/p0SQ6xL0pLQJlW8fa7BF+W4OGPemeCgme7stJMsjgeZ16qOh pRHDsI30FN+VJMvolxWF0p8fdMt0B2rwKWF8J/33GI++EeKmakHi1avEHLAbS2iFwj/wSk80r pydmhoDcbPRVm8XaTx59T8Ws1MxHauO20GMi3CJNwT3A8EJOBpfT7b9DHlpBIpprIfKMBibLu OMfFaDHm/bY9gprB/IcnkziMpbAzd+2afxcymNUTqCAmf6WmQRVIYNkfTvGAPVDoROMpJNm X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dP5g6RzHz4S3l X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.10) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.67 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.124]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.5.236.150:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.929]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.68)[-0.679]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.10:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 00:43:36 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:08:01 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: > If it's an Android phone, whatever MUA you have on it should also have > such setting switches. Emailing on a smartphone is a terrible experience. Real people use a real computer for real stuff. :-) > What I'd suggest that you do is to go to gmail.com and create > brandon.helsey@gmail.com and subscribe that address to your > open-source mailing list collection. The GMail client can be accessed > from any (lynx, anyone? Haven't tested THAT one :) ) web browser, so > you can use this on your FreeBSD machine or even a public library > computer. Which, from a security point of view, is one of the worst things you can do. But as there already is a FreeBSD system with X, all that's needed is the installation of a decent MUA, and there are plenty of them available: Thunderbird, Sylpheed, alpine, mutt, just to name a few without judging. Sure, you need to do a few settings, but unlike what you have on smartphones, you actually _can_ do this, if the defaults are not reasonable. This is an O(1) thing: You make those settings _once_. > The downside to GMail is that it is more difficult to categorize > e-mails, but IIRC it can be done. In my opinion, it's just added complexity to something as simple as email. Adding Google's Gmail to the mix does not lead to any benefits, I'd say. Probably "hotmail.com" already offers some web mailer that could be used. But as there is IMAP confirmed, why not use that with a normal mailing program on a real computer? Anything is better than trying to do this on a smartphone, without real success... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...