From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sat Jun 1 15:19:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195C115BF975 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2019 15:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound2m.ore.mailhop.org (outbound2m.ore.mailhop.org [54.149.155.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EC3A6CFBF for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2019 15:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1559402380; cv=none; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; b=LLLiZNirXNeG+rD0EIYRAsjObe3iYPfKz23+H0eQWY2M7bvosJfe2EK578sxhyeveD+/p5SMUxPJl Il5ixaJyW5d+i0WbisoAwRyJKY14R2B/RXlMn3ANLq6bbg4R5iW2IZ9JpV7kQfuRFzUyzWqqtH0jvF OhMvIFgkMkK3CfbcYiOrONShOCNv6kk3MUTiTCucY32kq+BepTKGK2RkeNoek7SJuKNXMuR34WC2K4 6zxxt4qU7pVzEmS8Isn+ag0/WRi0A0ukMPUzeHgx+w3N0YGle/PZ6wFO9k7OC3ulOuhd25Mxp9Ebcv E0PgNlQ/S9rqx7F1vspVOGr9Fcey/pQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=arc-outbound20181012; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:dkim-signature:from; bh=R+q8CXnuJX5ioOy04WqAl3v+SGdMSJp+/1hj8TW4JoQ=; b=CnwQCI/Opt2yc06w3vbM4YwLADTIwnLYBzg6lqGE3IG6F9X+7ivi3QSNt7bdioNCMxPedvAQsUC5i eH6KzqqQ8R0rxxicvHJ1x0JWAORYBg6kZrysizqlWL9+z720vMTFXx/RRFeQRVAMdwnBRnmjqhaHWp 0BllXyAnanHaZ/vqzDIAe/uYNe1cUaUtGYHeYdsEpzmCOUmI8nGgJivvblUlgmc0WCtHkrZQpRb6WX S68+Da4NDmoTXIWtYTNDcj8OkrZfzIDxnwIZT09/LblKxdFNIbl3Lo/CZxqV7jo7gJKN+azXGic5y6 78sjbWR4kJr9f1He+CxCXYj6oh4oWhg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; outbound4.ore.mailhop.org; spf=softfail smtp.mailfrom=freebsd.org smtp.remote-ip=67.177.211.60; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org; arc=none header.oldest-pass=0; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outbound.mailhop.org; s=dkim-high; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=R+q8CXnuJX5ioOy04WqAl3v+SGdMSJp+/1hj8TW4JoQ=; b=Ag7wEb/ePcebznDvWdKlac5HBlKKQc66WDsJhPynG0ln3dL9g1+dtuOVE9tMBbdhgtVQ/hf+5yBAJ IHefcl23ZmLidO8jSQIfKJQM6eHZ3J3mr8MDhbxTLqZY0mW7oD4cWVL8nJgqAQE0yllKCHQO0Oqi+a XZ7xPe3H+9wvX76UEredOQsRfRu++M9/FBpAi+7ToY+v+/msOXplJ1mfBDfCEU3gD6BnzRt2lekuOu VmqN3GAv+oS7h9X3lQSncvCeF8lAyJ+bYNuxt0O8ZNxq8Y5xtSR8DfkAUYLM7MqsEgrBWZJJmIuDNq qhVamUzqR6uuGCFxlXcLCTYsROkQenw== X-MHO-RoutePath: aGlwcGll X-MHO-User: ab4f98fc-8480-11e9-b399-9d2c53d3dedb X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound4.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id ab4f98fc-8480-11e9-b399-9d2c53d3dedb; Sat, 01 Jun 2019 15:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x51FJbmk047919; Sat, 1 Jun 2019 09:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r344648 - in head: . sys/kern sys/sys From: Ian Lepore To: Andriy Gapon Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 09:19:37 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <201905312217.x4VMH3YH031668@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7EC3A6CFBF X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 15:19:48 -0000 On Sat, 2019-06-01 at 11:02 +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote: > On 01/06/2019 03:46, Warner Losh wrote: > > When we move to git, stuff like this just won't matter. So it's > > hard to get > > worked up about it now... and even if we weren't heading that way, > > the history > > preserved is so small as to say more than "meh" here. There is too > > little ROI to > > get worked up about. > > Still, even a token reply would have been nice. Much better than > starting to > ignore *everything* that a fellow developer writes. > "Yeah, looks like I screwed up. But fixing it is more work than it's > worth. > Sorry about that. Thanks." > The point is, a few people in the project have proven themselves to be noise generators with annoying whinging and nagging about tiny insigificant issues. That earns them a mail rule that simply discards all incoming mail from them. So, unsurprisingly: no reply. There are 3 project memembers I've written such rules for, although two of those rules are currently disabled (but I didn't delete them because I have a feeling I'm going to use them again some day). -- Ian > > On Fri, May 31, 2019, 4:56 PM Kevin Bowling < > > kevin.bowling@kev009.com > > > wrote: > > > > The vast majority of contributors don't enjoy nit-picking on > > these > > trivialities. If the broader developer community is not > > rallying for > > the revert and some core conspiracy doesn't care about it > > either, that > > forms the de facto opinion of the FreeBSD community of today > > that this > > is trivial and irrelevant. > > > > Yes, there is vocal absolutism on the fringes about SHALLS and > > MUSTS > > about all sorts of things aside from modernizing FreeBSD and > > making it > > viable on current generation hardware. These parties might be > > happier > > and better aligned with OpenBSD ideologically as well as > > personalities. > > > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 3:17 PM Rodney W. Grimes > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I know of several people that have blocked your mail. > > Maybe a moment > > > > for reflection on your attitude and approach if you want to > > be taken > > > > seriously. > > > > > > I would consider repository damange and abuse to be VERY > > serious. > > > I would also consider the treatmeant I am seeing of danfe > > boarder > > > line on contempt. > > > But then I also know there are probably some that have > > blocked me. > > > The project, sadly is spiraling around a toilet, and someone > > is about to > > flush.... > > > > > > It is not what you hear, it is what you are not hearing that > > makes me say > > these things... > > > And espcially what core seams to not be willing to hear, and > > is literly (I > > can proove this) > > > paying lip service to "solicited feedback". > > > > > > I asked about some of my solicited feedback, and a core > > member said he > > > could not find it in his inbox and that I needed to locate > > and provide > > > him a pointer to it. THAT my friends is not solicited > > feedback, that is > > > /dev/null of feedback and just plain out right unexcusable. > > > > > > And note above all else the "product" of the FreeBSD project > > is NOT > > > releases, it IS the repository, and if we get sloppy with > > that product > > > it makes life harder for our consumers. If you have ever > > tried to > > > find the history of a deleted object (which is what the > > process being > > > complained about here creaetes) it is a royal PITA. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rod > > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 8:50 AM Alexey Dokuchaev < > > danfe@freebsd.org > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 03:20:50PM +0000, Brooks Davis > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 09:11:36AM +0000, Alexey > > Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 03:11:40PM +0000, Alexey > > Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 07:47:51AM +0000, Alexey > > Dokuchaev wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:56:55PM +0000, Mateusz > > Guzik wrote: > > > > > > > > > > New Revision: 344648 > > > > > > > > > > URL: > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/344648 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Log: > > > > > > > > > > Rename seq to seqc to avoid namespace clashes > > with Linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Added: > > > > > > > > > > head/sys/sys/seqc.h (contents, props > > changed) > > > > > > > > > > Deleted: > > > > > > > > > > head/sys/sys/seq.h > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why it was deleted and added as new file instead > > of being > > repocopied? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retransmit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ping! > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have nothing better to do? > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I have a lot on my plate, thanks for asking. Now, > > back to the > > subject: > > > > > > > > > > - I think that this commit was executed badly (not via > > repocopy) > > > > > - I've been trying to contact mjg@ for several weeks, to > > no avail :( > > > > > - All I get in return is an email from a fellow committer > > asking me > > > > > if I have anything better to do > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't understand this. I don't understand why > > we ignore email > > > > > from our own community. I don't understand why we do not > > correct or at > > > > > least explain why what looks like a mistake is actually > > not(?). I don't > > > > > understand why I'm being ridiculed, not those who make > > dubious commits > > > > > and fail to defend them. > > > > > > > > > > ./danfe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > svn-src-head@freebsd.org > > mailing list > > > > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-head > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > svn-src-head-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rod Grimes > > rgrimes@freebsd.org > > > >