From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 29 14:41:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50731065670 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547438FC08 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so152513ywf.13 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=f/cuTwhYgozpjBHsNqwgR9gsoyFuJEk0SifnNrc0dE8=; b=x8EyWjS9kx8n1Kdm7RIcrYkwhTTwryRsGAyrwj3zExxQJnprJy5gwvbKLzNfmJSOHH PMAph9C+1RUOqlMB1gtAPIaGXlxPm5P0Fc0//lmrFTnIFc7mPS1cDiYQd8pJmCDWk3v4 ys3pwXufoRY5l6y751mX06e7M1IRz9DDXuKpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=LrDZgMa5SCEv4ruwhEucwz/kUWok2tum2fbxVwfkHtomz8glNpXa5yfYEp5xoFTfMK mbh3fO2PgOyeBc0KOyI3l13jcE7Iwb19d3xYxOCi9TwAspBZUZxy5isGMn+/mMTSR1Iw J4ZNOpxV5zN8+rIF06+IhqndTSU59gSb9SMco= Received: by 10.100.209.8 with SMTP id h8mr144149ang.251.1280412930747; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c19sm1626222ana.22.2010.07.29.07.15.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:15:27 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100729141527.GA33867@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4C4F030D.4090208@googlemail.com> <844736C6-506D-417F-B180-389D70B12789@balholm.com> <0924931751598C840714ABD4@utd65257.utdallas.edu> <20100727220952.GO39480@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <62ff4ba92a711128d74c6319f09ade0c.squirrel@www.gull.us> <20100729095207.6a75d963@centaur.5550h.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20100729095207.6a75d963@centaur.5550h.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:41:32 -0000 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:52:07AM +0200, ?????? wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0600 > Dale Scott wrote: > > > Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the > > Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, > > Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who > > understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be > > alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to > > be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger > > community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, > > would it? > > > > I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal > > conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a > > complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list > > (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult > > time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, > > I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but > > I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned > > mascots and logos either. > > > > Dale Scott > > > > Personally, I tried to stay out of this conversion (because it's OT and > I find all religions annoying). But, anyway, IIRC, the reason why > our nice little beastie is no longer the official FreeBSD logo, is the > sentiments you just mentioned. There was a discussion about this years > ago on one of the mailing lists (I don't remember which one anymore), > which resulted in a contest, and the result is the horned ball logo you > find on the top of www.freebsd.org. This is also the reason why we > have to add 'beastie_disable="NO"' to /boot/loader.conf after a fresh > install now. So, please, refrain from calling for yet another new logo. Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the logo. As far as marketing products to a wide range of buyers, googling for "red devil" gets me Red Devil home repair and refinishing products Red Devil Italian Restaraunt Red Devil Equipment Co. Red Devil Lounge Red Devil Energy drink Red Devil snow blowers Red Devil hot sauce Red Devil Records Red Devil brakes Red Devil pedicab service Red Devil fire training and consuling You'll get a similar list if you google for "blue devil". So it seems that Beastie has lots of company out there in product land. Images of devils seem to be successful in marketing products. I don't believe that creating an alternative to Beastie is going to do anything to increase FBSD market share. My best wishes to the OP. I hope he finds something he's comfortable with.