From nobody Mon May 18 12:02:28 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4gJxJ55ZYzz6fFmg for ; Mon, 18 May 2026 12:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R12" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4gJxJ54wk6z3Dlw; Mon, 18 May 2026 12:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1779105749; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=bCd0g2n1dxesjF+d8YBv7ZcFZuH5tNnRxHeAvPXhtJw=; b=F9PXtqHsnWYmwlYkLhvxfAZ4gCmdq303OicG6vQP2EDZznjbfBRDhkGgMdFQagQaZb7ipU SEp5AJtIXg+VH8Rt8W5r2Pt0ffx71YG4md4FxayKSVc9Pj6b62eGkZ1igdnCmKXbWZ2pph aproEtpNa2kUx9dGw9B9nK5cCDDj4a5TsDHO9VVoaaxYOYHLVtH0cMQzy05rszKT9iOoYw aoZUuGCFlmHrmHkdHu6XtWuutL443gefgfbErE33+HydJtXEsdLu+cj+amT0g+dltD+lth K4ly2IS1SkTvRdusmIA9H1keokk/3nNvwYDGBMsHgUCcRjTrLstxs6UnR2sS5A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1779105749; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QVlRKk6572Azn2Ja1biaftE1yzPCzOS+RxXkxmeo/1Ya5/68cfzQoi1Ou4faqLAxkh2Lbh hhTutBjPpaBSb/ZOZMcPcYt2AISGUtuFOBrcb6Jwbf8eOBl864XWYmw0XUMYs1duAcxbXq hfn8yJYNhy4fOwFGv3EdvfdB3j1mYLF4lqfxwbUQkfVdh0npu44Eo9lRDtKHaN9x0npt58 VUslV1V/4HHRvgeIgeAvOy9tCMZq0lNKum6E530bfDVi3QlLPBUrEHMAuHM5J0CFVuwKRd wTf+ctiiCnOToaIIycH4AmuS/5Szo1yiouoqX66r5z14YSP37DBwJWk4y5ttpA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1779105749; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=bCd0g2n1dxesjF+d8YBv7ZcFZuH5tNnRxHeAvPXhtJw=; b=Ged1bcVVgMlhC+ToGS7ZyRjB0zJYxtfQ+YV3iT7Ozdp3atAGLh/tPTbC4RJWcWsYsMgCjA jJFAfP+n3/7SvZyEH7nlaVWj8vOHjnNuGbAmf1giHGN8BpMUbufCSVsEzd2XLKZ9HAjxcA kJGIh7MseOtmvNVy5brMJ6DASHThlK6YlKOGxF1VDIgQHlzbBUCFj0WZGV5kC1K7mRvEJd BpjdUHi13boUId3VfXJTPpW7MuyyD22iVluCybv7pUDw8L7Ff/H7llSEtExg7dJ8AD+jKx Lq5SUPs0VHRkV4m9v6NcK1oZEkrqLF3QMAtnrNavEBuZiCWOGDQcLXvMui77ig== Received: from ltc.des.dev (unknown [92.183.12.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: des/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4gJxJ53ZRhz16hf; Mon, 18 May 2026 12:02:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@freebsd.org) Received: by ltc.des.dev (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3FF72AA898; Mon, 18 May 2026 14:02:28 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: John Gaskill Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pre-install Setup Questions In-Reply-To: <2086036150.1826563.1779037719691@mail.yahoo.com> (John Gaskill's message of "Sun, 17 May 2026 17:08:39 +0000 (UTC)") References: <1217898286.1570785.1778867757524.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1217898286.1570785.1778867757524@mail.yahoo.com> <7e359bcb-94fc-4395-8599-943d42d62169@holgerdanske.com> <417407029.1814314.1779032915208@mail.yahoo.com> <86fr3qau67.fsf@ltc.des.dev> <2086036150.1826563.1779037719691@mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 14:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: <86bjedapt7.fsf@ltc.des.dev> List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Gaskill writes: > My expectation after reading the Handbook in advance of the > installation attempt was that this img file would have all the files > on it necessary to install FreeBSD Yes. > and the Ports collection They wouldn't fit. You need about 4-5 GB of packages for a full desktop environment with a browser and an office suite, and that's just a tiny subset of the entire collection. But the entire base system, including debugging symbols and tests, is less than 1 GB. > so I could have a successful, secure installation. You can have that using the memstick image. > The installation menu popup indicated that a number of optional > security and debugging packages were only available via the Internet uh, no > and provided a series of screens requesting network i.p. numbers. It offers to try DHCP first, so you must either have declined that or there is something wrong with your network. > Since debugging and security are inherent to a good installation, not > being able to install them directly did not seem safe to me. Perhaps > it's just excessive paranoia on my part when it comes to the Internet, > AI and the ability of criminal types of all kinds to worm their way > into your computer if given the opportunity. You certainly have a vivid imagination. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@FreeBSD.org