From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 14 13:25:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C703916A4CE for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:25:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.enhyper.com (mailgate.enhyper.com [62.49.250.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1787943D2F for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:25:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iang@iang.org) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.enhyper.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i9EDOm210716; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:24:59 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: www.enhyper.com: localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol Message-ID: <416E7E8A.5020308@iang.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:26:34 +0100 From: Ian Grigg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20041002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20041013192853.GB43973@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20041013192853.GB43973@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Sander Vesik Subject: Re: getting to 5.x binary packages X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:25:20 -0000 Matthew Seaman wrote: > In order for the FreeBSD Foundation to be licensed to distribute a > pre-compiled J2SE 1.4.2 JDK or JRE freely the FreeBSD port would first > have to pass Sun's compliance testing -- I believe that it has been > stated that the jdk-1.4.2 port would pass in it's current state > without any trouble at all -- but it takes money to get everything > formally tested, and then the licensing terms have to be negotiated, > again requiring some expenditure on lawyers etc. For most > corporations I don't think the costs would be particularly onerous. > For an all volunteer project like FreeBSD they're right out of the > question unless a generous donor can be found. Not that I know that donor, but has anyone ever come across or done a budget for that process? It would be interesting to know, not only for finding donors, but also as a pointer to Sun. iang ( It is issues like this that make Sun's claim that Java is write-once-run-anywhere so ridiculous. In practice, Java's spread is slowed dramatically by these sorts of tactics, and a lot of circumstances can't tell the difference between Microsoft's "guarunteed on our platform" and Sun's "maybe on three platforms" approach. Java still seems to be the best language for general purpose server programming, but I think it would be all over if Microsoft went cross platform in a serious fashion. )