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To: Andrew Gallatin <gallatin@cs.duke.edu>
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Subject: Re: A sort of plan for consoles in FreeBSD 
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In message <20060530135814.A70588@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin wri
tes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp [phk@phk.freebsd.dk] wrote:
>> I would like to redefine the semantics of "/dev/console" as follows:
>> 
>> 	if any console-consumers like xconsole(8) are active
>> 		send output to all console-consumers.
>> 	else if a controlling terminal is available
>> 		send output to controlling terminal (that is /dev/tty)
>> 	else
>> 		send output to syslogd, as if generated by printf(9).
>> 		(but do not actually output to low-level console)
>
>If there is nobody logged in, where do kernel messages from device
>drivers, and panic messages (with helpful things like KDB_TRACE) wind
>up?

These go to the #2 console just like the bootup messages etc.

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