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[69.114.240.62]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k29sm10083074qtc.45.2018.03.05.14.17.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD has a politics problem To: Mark Linimon Cc: Bryan Drewery , "Julian H. Stacey" , deb@freebsdfoundation.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <201803050114.w251Dv53087353@fire.js.berklix.net> <769a3928-0571-255a-3bb2-b6069c7dbf33@gmail.com> <20180305205130.GA3332@lonesome.com> From: Stephen Cook Message-ID: <3aa00142-eed7-cc2a-4661-6d6289dc8f18@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:17:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180305205130.GA3332@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 22:18:00 -0000 On 2018-03-05 15:51, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 02:48:26PM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote: >> The problem with the Foundation sponsoring a CoC is that a small group >> of extremists forced their way in to generate and implement their own >> set of rules, secretly. > > This is exactly not what happened. Points of view will differ. Last I heard, there was a debate over whether it was appropriate or not to even have a CoC. Now it already exists, and is very obviously written by SJWs. >> I suspect from the lack of response to my earlier question that I >> accidentally paid for this when I thought I was donating to help develop >> an OS. > > An alternate explanation is that people are tired of going through every > sentence of every post about this, word by word, and trying to respond > in a way that cannot possibly be misconstrued. I haven't seen many posts about this, maybe you mean in the secret mailing list? It is a simple yes or no question, did money donated to the foundation pay these people to write this trash? I am not the first nor only one to ask. There is nothing to misconstrue or dance around. I cannot find this information on the site. > tl:dr; your conclusion is wrong. Some transparency would help people better understand what is going on. > I myself have neither the time nor motivation to respond to every single > message on this subject; it's demotivating. I suspect most of the posters > have already made up their minds, in any case. But you had time and motivation to respond to mine... To say I am wrong and that I do not deserve a response to my question, because everyone is tired of defending themselves after dumping on the community for the benefit of some activists. -- Stephen