From owner-svn-src-stable@freebsd.org Fri Mar 9 17:50:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CD5F3D715 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org (pmta2.delivery6.ore.mailhop.org [54.200.129.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D67383748 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-User: 2e18d6ce-23c2-11e8-b951-f99fef315fd9 X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 67.177.211.60 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [67.177.211.60]) by outbound2.ore.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 2e18d6ce-23c2-11e8-b951-f99fef315fd9; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w29Ho29F008236; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 10:50:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1520617802.84937.26.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: svn commit: r330451 - in stable/11/sys: dev/iwm dev/otus dev/usb/wlan net80211 From: Ian Lepore To: Alexey Dokuchaev , Eitan Adler Cc: John Baldwin , svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers , svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 10:50:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20180309110240.GA77718@FreeBSD.org> References: <201803050754.w257swAE001435@repo.freebsd.org> <6465173.s2nWvWCLOs@ralph.baldwin.cx> <8377086.JrIgVVMXMv@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20180309110240.GA77718@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: svn-src-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for all the -stable branches of the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:50:06 -0000 On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 11:02 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 02:53:49PM -0800, Eitan Adler wrote: > > > > On 7 March 2018 at 09:37, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > I suspect many of these changes for iwm, etc. are all intertwined > > > so I'm not sure if you can leave out individual ones. > > Possibly. I do have iwm working on my laptop though. I also know of > > one open PR assigned to me w.r.t. a model I don't own. I'll be > > addressing it some time this week. > I often have mixed feelings when I see lots of similar changes (i.e. > that make up for better hardware support, esp. on a laptop) MFCed. > I'd rather see laptop users run -CURRENT and leave -STABLE branches > for very conservative (server?) users who can't/don't want to afford > the risks of running -CURRENT or require ABI stability in a really > long run, rather than binge-merging things. :-) > > By default it should be -CURRENT all over; it's a very good thing > that we as a Project ourselves are doing this as part of our own > dogfood eating strategy. > > ./danfe > Some of us have to use our freebsd machines to earn a living, and we can't afford the time and resources to set our jobs aside and debug our working machines on a daily basis.  We have the same right to use an up to date and stable OS as "very conservative server users". Discouraging MFCs because your opinion is that everyone should run current is, not to put too fine a point on it, 'totally f'ing crazy'. -- Ian