From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 00:54:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA7633942C for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dPL45WhBz4TSL for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 00:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id x22so4758540lfd.4 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 17:54:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=IZyYnXhGMT8gsvipDisNucLc0LST7y5oFn9ml/igIlk=; b=PG4IEcFmc5CakhgsuGZOe1TWG87VK6uVXp65+UWnOXcSEY/PFV6oRk4wchtqbj2Y+H QLx+z1qNFlzB3X+sqmOC2RiHAGGPmrGsjpbbE2ENdYZwEPgel2dXQLwDUrT/NdDIOGFe qyLBsa+JoxBGc3cEPDv2y7CeGmXJqwbCzXFqglaWF6pb+S6FA/dUh9agM6+gYxbeNsF5 O/Sfcaz8H4sb8I7I0zv0K0PK0I4+1wUfxuhRuRLPIL38d3+ev4dPvJkrMc+PV6Kf2aDe Tvaiy5CeRz2lAcM00QPdSzIllpsJZRIWdrCA1vSAwLyoeMkVvGhQaJDa87PgG5NxShbj Q4Sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IZyYnXhGMT8gsvipDisNucLc0LST7y5oFn9ml/igIlk=; b=T3oZAHBOqns2iqxNtkBot2+xk8l7oeYkSxI6trt8Dfe2bB0JeZo/hMSDxTZRixzK08 D9+sv0qjkBHpAHEUjvGfSCA8VLLVgzUjPIVYWt/OcHcoNFZfNz84er52pYdNHPD8nVI+ e7k6voptIGyAgtAiVqrXRZP3Gl34MCCbmbmbdcEI2N+cJuz0e2xRLpqyU/8djzqvKdRy hBLh22Up9PcLnFmS8s9qjLj4X9cFlayFhE376AVaCJolpe/YFnLF5YfTSGntgXxm0lu3 hJ9HC5I88GHKFTcqtLJSWQK+gbqWf5JxxUfuv2415YJCPMxogX5tKD/sygzjvdXIqVo+ NJbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5310fn2jZ81gHIc4sJQBlWb91PXw74TjGwDCUpRWURVsH7JR1HMt SAZn6Pen7Z0Wq/iBgCJSLDzWFRg4+iVh1qPFpNs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyGToKMo2i1dCGtltrMQLV5Ds+PQhaFM6lfuDpnFGJOQ5JPy3092izTu5UmNzo+SUQKIpiSHMxXybSdg/a+tqc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:2358:: with SMTP id j85mr3945607lfj.182.1591318456286; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 17:54:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20200605024331.51b34130.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200605024331.51b34130.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Donald Wilde Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Polytropon Cc: Brandon helsley , freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dPL45WhBz4TSL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PG4IEcFm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::134 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.93 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.904]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.039]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::134:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 00:54:23 -0000 On 6/4/20, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:08:01 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: >> If it's an Android phone, whatever MUA you have on it should also have >> such setting switches. > > Emailing on a smartphone is a terrible experience. Real people > use a real computer for real stuff. :-) I'm busily re-designing smartphones in my 'spare' cycles because they barely fit my needs for a _phone_! >> What I'd suggest that you do is to go to gmail.com and create >> brandon.helsey@gmail.com and subscribe that address to your >> open-source mailing list collection. The GMail client can be accessed >> from any (lynx, anyone? Haven't tested THAT one :) ) web browser, so >> you can use this on your FreeBSD machine or even a public library >> computer. > > Which, from a security point of view, is one of the worst things Point taken.As you can see, 'easy' has overtaken 'secure' for me for some time. As yet, my GMail hasn't been hacked and it does a pretty good job of stomping spam, especially from actual live politicians. ;-) > you can do. But as there already is a FreeBSD system with X, all > that's needed is the installation of a decent MUA, and there are > plenty of them available: Thunderbird, Sylpheed, alpine, mutt, just > to name a few without judging. Sure, you need to do a few settings, > but unlike what you have on smartphones, you actually _can_ do > this, if the defaults are not reasonable. This is an O(1) thing: > You make those settings _once_. Point, again. >> The downside to GMail is that it is more difficult to categorize >> e-mails, but IIRC it can be done. > > In my opinion, it's just added complexity to something as simple > as email. Adding Google's Gmail to the mix does not lead to any > benefits, I'd say. Probably "hotmail.com" already offers some > web mailer that could be used. But as there is IMAP confirmed, > why not use that with a normal mailing program on a real computer? > Anything is better than trying to do this on a smartphone, without > real success... :-) > Actually, I do like to have folders of e-mails that I stash, but that's a personal preference. It sounds like the MBox format can do that, so I'll make a transition myself in some near future. > > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 3.4 for me, if I recall, but I got sidetracked (!!!) for J O B requirements. Not that it matters, but I still have a binder full of actual FOSS CDROMs from Walnut Creek... -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************