Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 01:39:23 -0700 From: Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: ziz a dumb question? Message-ID: <20100501083923.GA48095@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20100501052055.9def3399.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20100501015705.GA46858@thought.org> <20100501041913.81a34394.freebsd@edvax.de> <20100501030350.GB46985@thought.org> <20100501052055.9def3399.freebsd@edvax.de>
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yo; it's late here [even i've wimped out:: nooooo-ooo-ooo!]
so i'll reply come morning. ('sall ready 'tomorrow':)
-g
On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 05:20:55AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:03:50 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:19:13AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:57:08 -0700, Gary Kline <kline@thought.org> wrote:
> > > > i've never been anything near the extreme-green movement. i
> > > > figured that newer computers/cpus/etc would be more efficient
> > > > than what came before.
> > >
> > > Oh, you mean that a "modern" desktop PC consumes as much power
> > > as my old AS/400e with 10 hard disk drives - as loud a a common
> > > PC, 2 times as big and 4 times as heavy? :-)
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, gee-whiz :)
>
> Incorrect values: 4 times as big and 8 times as heavy - but
> the same power consumption. :-)
>
>
>
> > i've thought about this for at Least ten years.... why not
> > have 4 CRT's or xterminals hanging off one very beefy
> > machine? but do they have anything with graphics and
> > keyboard + mouse that can work via one USB port/jack?
>
> Don't confuse my use of "network terminal" with classic serial
> terminals. Look, for example, at the devices AXEL builds, or
> already present for many years: Sun Ray terminals. They also
> have audio I/O, card reader, and USB connectors (where the
> keyboard and mouse usually are connected). A regular monitor
> (maybe with speakers) makes it a full-featured workstation.
> But no data users can mess around with, and its power requirements
> are really low.
>
> Our university's library had many of them, and I liked them
> because they were completely silent (in difference to the
> boring beige PC boxes they scattered around the library).
>
> You can find specs of an AXEL terminal as exemple here:
>
> http://www.axel.com/usa2/prod_ax3.html?mv2_pos=1
>
> They're calling it "thin client", but it's terminal. A box
> where you plug in a screen and a keyboard and connect it
> to a network IS a terminal. :-)
>
>
>
> > i'm
> > sure my wasted cycles could be put to very good use.
>
> Today's average users are treating their high-end HPC PCs
> as worse typewriters, so there are enough cycles to use. :-)
>
>
>
> > but it
> > would mean haning off a second display/kybd/mouse.
>
> Which is no problem using network terminals, everything you need
> is a LAN (or maybe even WLAN) connection.
>
> Still, multiple GPUs is possible, but results in a major raise
> of power consumption (because you have to use a "modern" GPU).
> Multiple input devices is no problem via USB.
>
>
>
> > the ARM/A-9 chip looks great. its a RISC chip that is super
> > efficient. gang four A9's in one package:: low power and at
> > least 2GHZ .... the only drawback is that the a9 is only
> > 32bits. So we cannot try to calcale the 7th root of
> > infinity, :-)
>
> ARM is an efficient platform in terms of energy, and I think
> it will be more and more important in the future, especially
> if you consider the mobile devices market. And when it's good
> at running on battery, it's good on running on AC power. When
> the industry comes up with "extra new energy efficient PC
> hardware", we already know that it existed for years. :-)
>
>
>
> > i mean, come-on-people, get real. 4G of ram
> > ought to be Plenty!!
>
> Hey, 640 kB should be enough for everyone. :-)
>
>
>
> > i'm trying to// or i'm =thinking about= getting rid of my
> > pfSense machine. i used ifp for *yesrs* with no breakins.
> > So NOBODY got into my poetry!!
>
> That's what they want to make you believe. :-)
>
>
>
> > according to my /var/log/<foo>.log files, the only crackins
> > were from kiddie-scripters. i squashed them.
>
> By using means of blocking for known script-kiddie sources, you
> can get rid of a lot of useless traffic - and possible trouble.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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