From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 14:00:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0D2B6EC91 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80C31A00 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C3AFBB6EC90; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34A8B6EC8F for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BA7119FE; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id k204so70632996wmk.0; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 07:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=o/M5ht4a67L8/xYNneaZ26heiuR+pdaHSf4M+RB6fSo=; b=y5qTo5esrHzQTSXjSfNLAKsVAJPOwHHE/mmtAwf9N9ViOOs8n8HfBUX5b4z/43PfQ4 IzbviEn0pi+SjfIZet66BWYQZjZEEzrYdRHBRhDWm4iZxMbSKofRvbC//GqjvGZgwq2z nr/68OEkzwj/B0FvE81yBPHoug0013jSYWtT4evUshkXnH3qiCn+9Fzb31uPrkE2O0SV TlmNEB8M2wgE09zQJWMx/Pp9fprfK/oTf1uYDyZwHo8i0/D/jCWDbUkGEYyVCFs9L7dW cCBZ1MqIhylaJcZbuICLJcFFHz+BoYcBFmqUIQhRXBZuW4w1MZEMFp4HrCo0sJGcqt7S 1Qpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=o/M5ht4a67L8/xYNneaZ26heiuR+pdaHSf4M+RB6fSo=; b=HEdsvt6hpK163oPC/nGGXRGk3EO5jqHgxXxndaThFJxjSVPNBgqWOko5dJu9WvacmS cVBlD1Uuj0oQF1ZOB4c3Y9Nfj+fsiOrYDlzT6HKpO8Sl1iQF7Mzd84Ou8Jt2yTOTgKSw h869Bq2QrBOnWgescshIR5iEYginCpIociuV7XFoDqPDMOCq9bVR6acEOzR+h9zYbuW4 g1Sf1PV5lFq05Y4lGYE0dCabL9b7K+vvKWzolxXFaE150rtnnLaqLh+hwT4NPqYCjqzN hYkW6E7sMo6d4rJ/g0Vvzuv+HO4kA25ac+WFGfPw0uXb9c4wFDFJLAF4Pk4kfDy+xknp hmwA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKvS6YkYCr1oICqKSsQGHlDhp/fE+6oCNoVS6Z6mg5N/WhLOUfBK7ZN95j1pk/YWCASZmECs4LJ0lFcig== X-Received: by 10.194.115.39 with SMTP id jl7mr23502166wjb.81.1465308011968; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 07:00:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 07:00:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160607133238.GO75630@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20160603191523.GE75630@zxy.spb.ru> <44y46ie92p.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20160606135018.GL75630@zxy.spb.ru> <20160607084733.GM75630@zxy.spb.ru> <20160607104335.GN75630@zxy.spb.ru> <1465306172.1188.24.camel@freebsd.org> <20160607133238.GO75630@zxy.spb.ru> From: krad Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:00:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unbound and ntp issuse To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: Ian Lepore , "stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:00:14 -0000 it's a non solvable problem though as its a deadlock. You have to remove one of the criteria in order to fix the issue automatically. On 7 June 2016 at 14:32, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 07:29:32AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 12:10 +0100, krad wrote: > > > whops that should be > > > > > > ntpdate_hosts not servers > > > > > > > These suggestions are essentially insane because they're ignoring the > > basic fact that the freebsd installer creates a non-working system. If > > unbound requires DNSSEC, and DNSSEC requires good time, and good time > > requires hostname resolution, then that circular dependency is a > > problem that the freebsd project needs to fix, not something to be > > hacked around by each individual sysadmin. > > Exactly! This is may point! > > > It is a bit disturbing to me that the project members who created this > > situation have been silent in the face of *months* of reporting of it > > by several different users. >