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Date:      Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:36:31 -0700
From:      Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>
To:        Dave Hayes <dave@jetcafe.org>
Cc:        Andrew Heybey <ath@niksun.com>, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Random hangs on (at least) SCSI reads
Message-ID:  <20020717113631.A30914@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>
In-Reply-To: <200207171826.g6HIQr049869@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>; from dave@jetcafe.org on Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 11:26:48AM -0700
References:  <200207171826.g6HIQr049869@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 11:26:48AM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote:
> Well we've isolated the problem (we think). These machines are built
> using a 2U case. This requires a PCI riser card that plugs into the
> motherboard PCI slot and provides horizontal (rather than vertical)
> card mounting options.
> 
> With that riser card out, I've run the same "crashme" script which
> puts a moderate to heavy load on the disk subsystem, and the machine
> is still up (16 hours and counting).
> 
> Electronically speaking that riser card adds a extra capacitance and
> resistance that is probably not in the design spec for PCI. That's
> the current theory anyway. I don't know enough about PCI to know
> if that makes sense or not. I do know we are going to try slowing
> down the SCSI transfer speed to see if that helps any. 

I'd bet a lot more of a bum riser card  then on a generic problem with
riser cards.  We've got got quite a few 2U systems running various cards
with few problems.  The only problem we've seen with a SCSI card was a
RAID control that got fried when we power cycled a hung system.

One other possiablity to consider is lack of decent air flow causing
heating problems.  If you run without a riser card, the system has to be
open which would improve air flow around passivly cooled components.

-- Brooks

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