From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 07:59:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F5A16A4BF for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.knology.net (smtp1.knology.net [24.214.63.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B70643FEA for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@HiWAAY.net) Received: (qmail 22095 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2003 14:59:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO user-24-214-34-52.knology.net) (24.214.34.52) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2003 14:59:50 -0000 From: David Kelly To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:59:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <3F5AF539.30300.EE6367F@localhost> <3F5B34C2.7070207@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3F5B34C2.7070207@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309070959.43759.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> Subject: Re: The Old Way Was Better X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 14:59:52 -0000 On Sunday 07 September 2003 08:38 am, Bill Moran wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > > Those running -current need to be aware of the issues. > > This is immaterial. What we're talking about here is marketing. > Marketing has nothing to do with reality. If it did, Microsoft's > commercials wouldn't show people flying around, they'd show them > forking out extra money for anti-virus software. [...] > Next time, let's call it 6.0-BETA. This serves both purposes. A CD > can be cut from the snapshot to increase the number of people > testing, yet (even to PHBs) the term BETA means something that will > cause them to fall back to (then) 5.X. Or call it FreeBSD-5.2-BETA-RELEASE. "Beta" is far better understood than "current" (not that "current" part of the name currently.) Consumers have a fixation with version numbers. Clearly the highest number available is best! Has most bug fixes! Is New And Improved! One of my early memories of Linux was at a hamfest where two were standing at a CDROM table trying to decide which was the "best" Linux distro. Ultimately they were comparing bundled package version numbers and finally one won for having gcc 0.01 version higher than the other. I put 5.0-RELEASE on a noncritical machine. Wasn't happy that it wouldn't install over 4.7. Didn't like any of my prior partitions or filesystems. Later put 5.1-RELEASE on this system. If it croaks I'll be forced to do what I really ought to do anyhow, move the Mac dual G4-867 in its place. My biggest problems have been with ports. Also noticed bsdlabel/disklabel didn't work. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.