From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 20:24:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8FB14C20A2 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 20:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED211710F0 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 20:24:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id n81NgSfbmMRX3n81OgH410; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 13:24:15 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=TL87tGta c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3JhidrIBZZsA:10 a=thwmQEDKAAAA:20 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=M9m6JUOuUodv6D0VDZkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy8 [10.2.2.6]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F3AF1051; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x0PKOCVS052431; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x0PKOCTt052427; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:24:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201901252024.x0PKOCTt052427@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Robert Clausecker cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base In-Reply-To: Message from Robert Clausecker of "Fri, 25 Jan 2019 21:15:19 +0100." <20190125201519.GA77486@fuz.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:24:12 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfN4wMonQRy/h5Xy13biDyUY+3IeW8bbTjoxCXsho4gwtFf90H0zQIiraS9rNfOshs/VG6kJKBOQJmY6G9lKBvcTAzsIgqD7K9cHDsPVN7wcLtrZSuIGu 2tpxhQoNJ8j6VWlbuWU6fDXy0OMC0QGqCVzeMl7rj8+g4El2uXjyO1sfSwrxLf+JaenPC8xl73Fw8pGopf1FRv2vCFQNZ4EALdo= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED211710F0 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.86)[ip: (-4.93), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.42), asn: 6327(-1.87), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[12.134.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 20:24:17 -0000 In message <20190125201519.GA77486@fuz.su>, Robert Clausecker writes: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:53:12AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote: > > In message <20190125193525.GA74966@fuz.su>, Robert Clausecker writes: > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 09:12:58AM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > Why not ksh93 instead? It is the original and authoritative Korn > > > > shell. EPL is compatible with the BSD license. Personally, I've been > > > > toying with the idea of importing ksh93 for a while now. > > > > > > Note that ksh93 comes with a builtin user land from AT&T which should > > > behave quite a bit differently from the FreeBSD userland. So unless we > > > want to maintain two slightly different userlands (one of which needs to > > > be maintained in conflict with upstream), that has to be torn out, which > > > kills one of the performance advantages of ksh93. > > > > Oh really? Explain please. > > Ksh93 is part of the AT&T ast distribution. This distribution contains > a large amount of standard programs and ksh93 would use them over the > system's own programs if $PATH was set up correctly (ksh93 recognised a > dummy path for "my own user land"). It does seem like they tore these > out in the latter releases, so this concern is probably no longer > important. slippy$ pkg info -l ksh93-devel ksh93-devel-2019.01.21: /usr/local/bin/ksh93 /usr/local/bin/shcomp93 /usr/local/man/man1/ksh93.1.gz /usr/local/share/licenses/ksh93-devel-2019.01.21/EPL /usr/local/share/licenses/ksh93-devel-2019.01.21/LICENSE /usr/local/share/licenses/ksh93-devel-2019.01.21/catalog.mk slippy$ The official ksh93 is developed here: https://github.com/att/ast. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.