From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 13 10:50:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (rly-ip02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601C537B423; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tot-wi.proxy.aol.com (tot-wi.proxy.aol.com [205.188.197.1]) by rly-ip02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA21588; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (AC8C1DD4.ipt.aol.com [172.140.29.212]) by tot-wi.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e8DHo1Z14690; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201c01daa$e5e7e680$8eca86ce@oemcomputer> From: "John M" To: "Michael Lucas" , "Ignacio Cristerna" Cc: "freebsd newbies" , References: <20000913081530.A69493@blackhelicopters.org> <20000913102805.A69843@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: BSD Magazine Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:48:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Apparently-From: Long1driver@aol.com Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to be in charge of Art Direction; the Linux magazines are such a mess visually. Can't there be a magazine with visuals that are organized and easy to read? I think so. John M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lucas" To: "Ignacio Cristerna" Cc: "freebsd newbies" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: Re: BSD Magazine > I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with > publishers. There's two ways we could make this a reality. > > 1) Do it ourselves. > > This is a pain, and less "legit" looking. We could put a plan > together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but > then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc. > It's not a small job. Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really* > sucky and thankless job. (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know > "sucky".) With corporate backing it would be a full-time job. > > 2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it. > > Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for. > They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even > vaguely worthwhile. The editors need to know that they can sell that > many copies of a magazine. > > This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine. Just like in > software support. Polite grassroots efforts, and so on. > > The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other > magazines, for cross-pollination. > > My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged > effort: > > a) contact editors and ask for it. Politely. > > b) sell BSD articles to print magazines > > c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b). This is a case where numbers > matter big-time, just like counting page views. > > I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised > paper available after the conference. > > ==ml > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote: > > After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about the > > same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it too > > much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a more > > streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out or > > a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a sense > > of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are > > have a good "product" to offer. > > Just my 2 centavos. > > > > Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from > > Monterrey, Mexico. > > -- > Michael Lucas > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org > http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message