From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 01:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1531016A4B3 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.e-easy.com.au (eth0.lnk.e-easy.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D1543FB1 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.e-easy.com.au with ESMTP id h8G88Rcw014427 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:08:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au (aims.com.au) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.9.0a.R) with ESMTP id 14-md50000000013.tmp for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:38:14 +1000 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: "'FreeBSD Advocacy'" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:38:12 +1000 Message-ID: <003e01c37c25$7c57d130$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Spam-Processed: aims.com.au, Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:38:14 +1000 (not processed: spam filter disabled) X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Follow-up on the Mock-up X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:08:44 -0000 Well, this has been fun. Firstly, I'm not a professional web designer. I just thought I'd have a crack at it. Thanks for all the comments, especially the bad. If I'm told how to improve, I can. Here's the Pro's and Con's, and a response for each: Cons: Mike H: ...this thing has borders that only display in IE... Resp: Tested in Konqueror 3.1, IE5.5, and IE6. If you can let me know how to get the borders to appear in your browser, let me know Mike H: ...it has a body with a relative width but a header with fixed with... Resp: 10 minute fix. Top bar is now blended to RGB#990000, so should scale to unlimited widths. If your browser won't do 'background-image:, and background-color:', let me know - I'd like to hear from you. Mike H: ...at least look like you have a clue about webdesign/layout/presentation... Resp: This is what I feed on. That's why I'm replying...;-) j.el-rayes: ...freebsd is not commerical, it is not an enterprise, it is not all about cash. we do not compare ourselves with red hat, suse and other .coms Resp: Surely more purchases of cdroms from people with money is going to help get features completed quicker?!?. You can pay more developers? yes, no? T Rhodes: ...a database makes it difficult for our mirrors... Resp: This is interesting. May require some thought on how robots, wget, etc, handle arguments to PHP scripts. M Pasternak: ...If you want to make a big, corporate-like website about FreeBSD - think about internals first, write some code, use some readily available web management systems (have you tried Zope yet?) - and then we can talk about this. Your idea is a very good one, but people don't browse ideas, they browse webpages. Hope you will have something to show to us soon... Resp: I've done a few changes, and swung part of a simple content management system over to it. It's not going yet, but it'll plug in quite nicely. Schema of Database: http://www.aims.net.au/nigel/bsdn/schema.sql (not complete yet) The mock-up has been updated to cater for all coments that I can address. Please, if you can, send me more comments. If this can get to an acceptable stage, who knows, anything might happen... http://www.aims.net.au.nigel/bsdn/ Thanks all! N.