From nobody Wed Jul 3 23:09:43 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WDwTr0T0Jz5QWYX for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2024 23:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WDwTq6lmDz52Cc; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1720048191; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=VTkoqbgTPSC/ZWJgsEfygnAoTW0MQTCJOaxEP/D9HFU=; b=VLhkcWqZ6G9XEL4//PTD621cLnsZMScPDpN3PcX3LPrZo72a2EDTeySshTR7LEZv/qi5mW g62vnME1IuTf1FRqHERwTA02GQdh2S1B/1iHbe2TAOBREaM8O8bqadZI9gJir3Ebx1+xoI lY85xKMq2dGIAmZ6u0xLgQ3iKXJN1yBu5qo8Dy2NVJqwFqc0TBAYxCBJ7anxOBTsm8I4e5 3kAT5LFoPdl3SSC2bFk64I3vZfdB0PxQlOa+RaMP2mDu4jUlvF9hIXmq/gaF6On/1RmNyq bYWdrS1MlvdBdnJzVIo2KEIx3I5RP4eP+kykkIsrpA/qSKfJcPJKxiPc6UAIpQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1720048191; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=miVYV+xhrdG31+leSpHJojuCMTCtP2CZkEB6Tsn7nyoHWQO1OR0YmC9cWkjybT4DO2/X3O tohvK5sQrE1AmrslwlHtd7/iXiAiNl+1E0N4Gm5s2aIQID6IXxsD+Wxlac9leTIiEHzRT4 UkhBkY/TCuciofnukP2zY8AisvzENAXtTMTrcwrmuf7dqD84PpRCEBrE7a99YsXXcGgVOL DiMCEmM/xz3WrqgLejuHR1WPafKYb+vkZYSkyJjxHSCdM99zCADsw8Z4PNAXH/vJtGYl8Y t61SM5pQ84cnoeP3FAmv2R2+++dN6ftJBK5zKt37Z9+3GvFhr6UzU8D/fB/ySQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1720048191; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=VTkoqbgTPSC/ZWJgsEfygnAoTW0MQTCJOaxEP/D9HFU=; b=eCFRxwCE7KTRAh5KP9QfBovgm74QqPgmtNQHPLio9kEy1VHvSjlrxT0tpSmaigtvUYWqn8 RHgwoHwbfybr4os+boRfljyika1Sn8/VM+w1d9JWYP5utTMsw38/v/JV1tTzDbUhXpKOnn 8mCc5J+aPIZn2bjyTkMAXdtg+JDJ9Cu7Td1ZFvpsui+CiKVal0JABy0LMJp2LL7/TAk8hB AHGskT3I/BvQ5DoQV072l8RfhvHnhdD/T3qNlME0A5ibtzsWU90buYFuT7kToQK3Woyhm9 344UYaz+NJF2tv70iOZwIDKlcQRWEuPe4PO+y0X+E+fmJpKSJzdU6AtKMEbnDA== Received: from hydra.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: grog/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4WDwTp1jBQzJYY; Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 09:09:43 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Sylvain Saboua , Will Froning Cc: Chris Moerz , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's up with so many emails Message-ID: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5EBC318A-0E9D-4E45-B79D-0CCFCA103ED4@gmail.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: https://www.FreeBSD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 --TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Sequence recovered. See https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/freebsd-ques= tions/] [Copying -hackers in case other people also have this problem] On Wednesday, 3 July 2024 at 10:02:47 +0200, Sylvain Saboua wrote: >> Le 2024-06-25 05:52, Chris Moerz a =E9crit=A0: >>> >>> Have you looked at >>> >>> There you have all the lists and also the addresses for unsubscribing f= or each of them. > > I of course have, but in my haste back one year ago > I didn't write down which lists I was subscribing to. Once a month you should get an email with a list of the mailing lists to which you're subscribed. > The only thing I really don't understand is WHY this > has to be such a painstaking process, which requires > to find the list,.. The pain seems to be at your end. From the headers: List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: More to the point, though: User-Agent: Webmail Free/1.6.7 Is that the culprit maybe? Even then, though, the name of the mailing list should be clear. After all, you sent your message to it: Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Does your MUA not display that? > type one's email to unsubscribe, receive an email asking for a > response, sending the reply, and last but not least being delivered > a confirmation email ... Most of this is common courtesy. Is it so difficult to use your webmail MUA? Maybe you should consider changing. > Could not the process of (un)subscribing be much simpler ? > Or has most of the communication already moved to other means ? Once it was simple. The advent of webmail seems to be the problem. I suppose we could consider adding information in the .sig, but so far there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for it. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQSaG4ICvM64RvkvCawi5vKQUHpCIwUCZoXaNwAKCRAi5vKQUHpC I2yZAKCH57CLbIJs9RScbpBLmrkj8dHBCQCfRXARGF1nyCJmYN2ME4EGQsiM+tM= =PlW6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TWqW8e1b0uEPYxcA--