From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Nov 24 12:21:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FEF14BE2 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10442; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:17:46 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Greg Lehey Cc: James A Wilde , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Programmers' editor? Message-ID: <19991124121746.C2554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <00e101bf3681$44cb04a0$8c0aa8c0@hk.tbv.se> <19991124103253.B2554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <19991124135521.44585@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <19991124135521.44585@mojave.sitaranetworks.com>; from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com on Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 01:55:21PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 01:55:21PM -0500, Greg Lehey wrote: > OK, I've said my piece here, and I disagree entirely. But it's not up > to me; I've been using Emacs and similar editors for 20 years. The > real question is: what do newbies think? Anybody want to comment? > Also, Brooks, have you *used* Emacs? Recently? If so, I'd like to > know what you consider non-intuitive. OK, I'll qualify my statement. I haven't used emacs all that recently, I think it was about 4-5 years ago when I last tried it for much of anything. It's a perfectly good editor, much like Linux is a perfectly good operating system, it's just one I choose not to use. I won't defend it and I may poke fun it it's relative memory footprint and insanely large feature set, but I don't intend to slam it. When I tell people to use a real editor I usually mention both emacs and vi, I just can't help them with emacs since the emacs skills pretty much stop at bailing out so I can reset the EDITOR variable to vi and get back to work. ;-) It's possible that emacs might even make me more efficient, but I doubt I'd make up the time I'd lose retraining myself to do that things I know how to do in vi. That's especially true since last time I looked, number of them didn't appear to have 1-1 mappings meaning I had to change my whole paradigm not just the keys I press. -- Brooks -- "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" --Thomas Jefferson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message