From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 12 20:11:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE59C07B4 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [IPv6:2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466n6S26BKz3yHH for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lee@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1565640669; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=rRwSwtf78KMmW8SLG0gQsCDA8yDuJAP0wFeIjZ5rp04=; b=j33pWCc+JZaOdFnHLgFPpB227kwEpphIkblyRF9+uxQFAqDkaCHTPz43gB+2xr/ei1 jNGtCRYBe3vUxAIlOq33KZ/2eXXMeLy6GuCzo2CtSa1GMz9yl7VhIyo3e8VcqcwMv1QQ LvXAfvoydkfUhryXEJYY8fKLBhVqwNXnKKTh0h2vmcj254bdPGZhpf4695tC5o16z/IH E5zd7jCqwyBXPLROX3p8o++VGugDNVcXVFdB8HBXqrmWvYlOurx4DS3UVhmyf+88mIlW Tih8OUSvNVAfU7HxJZYqXR9d7yd6M8a9ha1nl1jyH3vial1OJlmt+YS1MLBKuF/bS5FI xH0g== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+ARdaXvxIDf7nlw=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.24 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e0059dv7CKB83dQ (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGeq-00010e-9h; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 Received: from lee by toy.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hxGep-00024x-T1; Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:11:08 +0200 From: hw To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? In-Reply-To: <20190810182607.208e49addf88b6238272fb50@sohara.org> (Steve O'Hara-Smith's message of "Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:26:07 +0100") Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:33:10 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87a7ce2n7t.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802053434.6babd0d0.freebsd@edvax.de> <87y30b8h0v.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190803042205.550f5903.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnllbxp7.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190805070522.be1fb873.freebsd@edvax.de> <87sgqdq0nw.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190809133419.3de9e65f.freebsd@edvax.de> <87pnlevzbb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190810133516.3254f6e5.freebsd@edvax.de> <874l2p9fpc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190810182607.208e49addf88b6238272fb50@sohara.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 466n6S26BKz3yHH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=j33pWCc+; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lee@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12) smtp.mailfrom=lee@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.936,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.5.2.0.2.0.a.0.2.0.8.3.2.0.1.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:2a01:238::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[hw@adminart.net,lee@adminart.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.77)[ipnet: 2a01:238::/32(-3.37), asn: 6724(-0.46), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:11:13 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:56:47 +0200 > hw wrote: > >> OTOH, what is the programmer supposed to do when creating an error >> message? Users nowadays are incapable of reading anything, especially >> error messages, > > The user gets "Oops something went wrong" and a button to "Send > diagnostic information to $VENDOR", the grubby details go in the diagnostic > return and are only seen by programmers. The problem with that is that it keeps the users dumb.