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Date:      Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:31:50 +0100
From:      Roland Smith <rsmith@xs4all.nl>
To:        "Zane C. B-H." <v.velox@vvelox.net>
Cc:        freebsd-x11@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: End of year Xorg status rant
Message-ID:  <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home>
In-Reply-To: <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net>
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On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 12:14:54AM -0600, Zane C. B-H. wrote:
> On 2016-12-31 09:03, Andrei wrote:
> > On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:11:51 -0600
> > Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 02:51:55PM +0300, Beeblebrox via freebsd-x11
> >> wrote:
> >> > I'm sure the Foundation and developers have been debating whether to
> >> > drop desktop all together
> >>=20
> >> I have never heard of any such discussion.

Would the Foundation be willing to sponsor a developer to work on X? I'd be
willing to donate toward that.

> Honestly this entire thread has been full of WTF.

Second that.

> I've been using FreeBSD for desktop purposes since like late 2001/early=
=20
> 2002. The only issue I've ever had is X -configure does a shit job of=20
> picking defaults at times, but that is not a FreeBSD issue.

I've been using FreeBSD amd64 on desktops and laptops since 2004 (5.3).=20

Mostly on Radeon GPU's.

On the whole, I'd say X works fine.

> Yes, X tends to lag a bit behind Linux,

Given limited manpower, that is pretty much a given. Especially since Linux
graphics seem (IMO) to be in a permanent state of flux.

> but all in all X is a much
> better experience on FreeBSD than Linux. One of the big thing that
> really stands out between the two is screen tearing is rare on FreeBSD
> compared to Linux.

I cannot recall ever seeing screen tearing on FreeBSD.

> X works well enough under FreeBSD that I honestly use it for gaming via
> wine.
>
> Personally I am proud and happy with what our X team has done with it,

Ditto.

> especially with Intel chipset support since like 10, making using it on
> a broader number of laptops all that more awesome. In 11 it is
> completely goat fragging wiz with the new KMS stuff. <3

The new KMS works fine with my Radeons.

Roland
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R.F.Smith                                   http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/
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