From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 25 05:01:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A194F106566B for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fjwcash@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1F28FC14 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2861789gwb.13 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KgeYmol9TsH+GjZDMnWXqd6sbaYnpu0gxYUdU3wMEYM=; b=Iq2aNYdm8yH4PEC969g7Xr2/qTDSdC2VSAn766pIoRO9x3VywEWZ784F/COJ8dKzn4 Tm9tFUw2VcN14iHSLxLNKJWPACG1KI7A0ivQwIbo5c0hpU18OxpjjlQgKjj3GJk16kkm xPmmdNVTjF/smJcbixX/jH3otwEUqxm3N3/G4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.249.31 with SMTP id w31mr3955400agh.202.1311570104355; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.209.12 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: From: Freddie Cash To: Ron McDowell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current , Nathan Whitehorn , eculp Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:01:45 -0000 On Sunday, July 24, 2011, Ron McDowell wrote: >> > > I'll have to agree with the original poster. I have no problem with the look and feel of the new installer, but when functionality that WAS there is now gone, that's a problem. My two, make that three, biggest gripes are: > > 1) no "back" button/selection/mechanism on each screen. Rebooting because I fat-fingered something on the previous screen is, well, unacceptable. > 2) no "minimal" install. Most of my installs are single- or few-task servers where I need a base os and a couple ports. The nice thing about bsdinstall is that every install is identical. It's basically just dumping an image file to disk. > 3) I see no "post-install" uses on the new one. Sysinstall could be used on an up-and-running system to do everything from adding a user to changing a nameserver and more. Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a system. Usually the first time someone mentions they use it for post-install configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing that! An os installer should do just that: install the os and nothing else. -- Freddie Cash fjwcash@gmail.com