From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 22 19:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E99616A4CF for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp06.wxs.nl (smtp06.wxs.nl [195.121.6.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9E943FBF for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@www.kruijff.org) Received: from kruij557.speed.planet.nl (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186])18chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:52:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kruij557.speed.planet.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAN3tAYj007946; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:55:10 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff@Alex.lan) Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAN3t9kp007945; Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:55:09 +0100 (CET envelope-from akruijff) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:55:09 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <3FA8EFA1.7020507@potentialtech.com> To: Bill Moran Message-id: <20031123035509.GG532@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i References: <20031104192215.GA848@online.fr> <3FA8382F.50204@potentialtech.com> <3FA8EFA1.7020507@potentialtech.com> cc: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How do hackers drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:55:06 -0000 On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 07:40:01AM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >Bill Moran writes: > > > >>Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >> > >>>Bicycle-friendly, but lethal for pedestrians. Dutch cyclists treat > >>>pedestrians with the same contempt as drivers to cyclists in most > >>>other countries... > >> > >>Are you serious? That doesn't sound possible [...] I would > >>think there is a certain amount of self-preservation that prevents > >>cyclists from colliding with pedestrians. > > > >That doesn't mean they *respect* pedestrians. They generally treat > >pedestrians like vermin invading their right-of-way (at least that's > >what it felt like in Delft, though Amsterdam - or the parts of > >Amsterdam I've been in - isn't nearly as bad) Most of the time thing aren't so bad. > Well, that I can understand. It follow what I said about many cyclists > not obeying the rules of the road. Professional cyclists Whats a professional cyclist? Here every one has at least one bike. Children as young as 6 ride then. And by the time there 12 there riding one there own to a school in a neerby city. > I guess the general rule might be that the fast generally disrespect > the slower. The same is true for heavy vs ligth. In the Netherlands it now a rule that when a car comes in to a collision with a biker, the driver of the car is wrong unleass there is proof otherwise. The number of collision has gone drasticaly down since then. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/