From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 19:30:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7BB37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C902C43F85 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:30:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (12-230-74-101.client.attbi.com[12.230.74.101](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20030730023040013004u5f3e>; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:30:40 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6U2StSE092621; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6U2ShHh092620; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from underway@comcast.net) To: Nasier@cbhs.wcape.school.za References: <30398522BC1@cbhs.wcape.school.za> From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:28:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Rich Morin's message of "Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:49:52 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freeBSD logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 02:30:42 -0000 Rich Morin writes: > At 8:14 PM +0200 7/23/03, wrote: >>I would like to use the freeBSD [sic] logo on a advert that I am >>developing. [snip] > http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/mainpage/copyright.html) for more info. Folks should note that MKM only claims copyrights at that page. (It has statements which make me wonder if he had copyrights and trademark rights confused, but it's hard to believe that he didn't know the difference.) It's conceivable that someone also has exclusive rights on the use of a demon (in the context of an OS) as a trademark. And it seems likely that it isn't MKM. I'm guessing that it's not a protected trademark, but I would want to check with Wind River, FreeBSD Mall, and MKM, at least, maybe asking for some evidence, before using it. If anyone knows who has ever claimed to be using a demon as a protected trademark, please name them. If there is no trademarked demon, then it should be legal to use a demon in one's advertising as long as the demon is a derivative of public domain demons and not of MKM's demons. But there are (at least) two other considerations: 1) One might prefer to avoid the risk of getting into a dispute with MKM (and/or other FreeBSD people) about whether one's demon is a derivative of MKM's. 2) One might prefer to honor MKM with some rights that the law might not give him just because (I'm guessing here) he probably didn't follow trademark rules.