From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 7 20:58:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F915106564A; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8518FC08; Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id rp8so3826307pbb.13 for ; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=e/gVUY3H3sR6MxQ0U6t7QM3IUIbNLFJbjS1g2poymVg=; b=K7z+5CmXZIHkIzX3r+3cFNeG0KQChWBuORiJw+fIhD/ZwWVvOMaXXeYDuo6cWecrv4 Epwao474/6J7ryvQq0SB5hSVXafu+o3oZcOBF9LK1R5369h2gIVuN2AR5sT2/ShPLdHd EoMiEJn4Kh8UFuFPkV6dvq0aGWZdZKbKEErsxYVX4wZeH9mw4axtcxElDajBHzdxOGGz JQQzpO0G2Wa2sa1Avur9PJDmXsqyxdyfhh6uIwAcJbWOElOvEhHmMvgKskXK6sos2fGO PFEDmuxoRVqybmHamIJBqoEE/DAYb1U1fDKIQBUrcwOhYLWzE5ZwkEbBwVhQw0DSVkSf VZ6g== Received: by 10.68.201.104 with SMTP id jz8mr48456184pbc.141.1349643532869; Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fuji-wireless.local (c-24-19-191-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [24.19.191.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg6sm3266906pbc.38.2012.10.07.13.58.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Oct 2012 13:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <5071EAEB.9090509@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 13:59:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <981AFB75-8A23-4CB1-906B-7E61D76A150B@gmail.com> References: <0655B56F-AD43-402B-872C-568378E650F9@fisglobal.com> <86k3v21qsx.fsf@ds4.des.no> <3EB58454-7820-43C4-911E-7DEF2D02C880@fisglobal.com> <86fw5q15f9.fsf@ds4.des.no> <0CB9F1EA-2176-4AE9-B899-6E8744D06DC7@fisglobal.com> <5071EAEB.9090509@freebsd.org> To: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Devin Teske , Devin Teske , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Boot Loader Menu X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:58:53 -0000 On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 10/7/12 1:36 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >>=20 >>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Devin Teske wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Devin Teske writes: >>>>>> Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav writes: >>>>>>> What problem are you trying to solve, exactly? >>>>>> Many in-fact: >>>>>> [list of things that bear no relation whatsoever to what was = actually >>>>>> in the email I replied to] >>>> I disagree with your slight that those "things =85 bear no relation = whatsoever to what was actually in the e-mail [you] replied to". >>>>=20 >>>> It only *seem* as those are unrelated. I assure you, they are = _very_ related (and it's very much my mistake for not making it clear in = my initial e-mail). I must apologize for this lack of clarity (I try to = rectify it below). >>>>=20 >>>>> Then maybe you should have focused on that in your original email. >>>>>=20 >>>> Yes, perhaps. >>>>=20 >>>> Perhaps it would have been better to explain: >>>>=20 >>>> Hey=85 >>>>=20 >>>> + iX and I are working on enhancing the boot loader menu to include = a new submenu for selecting a Boot Environment (BE). I'm providing the = menu infrastructure, iX is providing the C code to populate that menu. >>> Sounds like GRUB/Plymouth's model... sorta. >>>=20 >>>> + We can't add this new menu item without pigeon-holing ourselves = into a position where no more menuitems can be added. >>> Understood. >>>=20 >>> ... >>> - Have you considered high resolution screens/fonts; there are some = already in FreeBSD hooked into syscons, but that's available later on at = boot? I mention this because there's a lot of wasted real estate on my = 30" or 24" LCDs when I boot up FreeBSD. >>>=20 >> Adding screen real-estate won't help. Menus (and any of the maximum = 65535 submenus) are always limited to 9 maximum menu items. >>=20 >> A significant overhaul of the Forth code would be required to = accommodate more than 9 menu items per-menu. >>=20 >> Currently, if a 10th menuitem were rendered (assuming I lifted the = boundary-checks), it would be rendered as such: >>=20 >> =85 >> 8. Eighth Item >> 9. Ninth Item >> 1. Tenth item >=20 > A,B,C,D..... Z? My mom would be confused with a user interface like that, but it would = sure be funny to watch :) (makes me feel like Sesame Street). -Garrett=