From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sun Aug 7 14:40:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C94BB1BC0 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8AD91275 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 14:40:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id f6so62735559ith.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OE8fWqjYbgplNFYdQwBC9FowNMrrfuYyd5TjMSduSYs=; b=BEGVP7GeBFf64dr3XIoXuFPVUSiSWeFCmenYuWvtZOBPx1VHidcMuN1RF0DQ0mKNFR +/o1EOO/OooR+fZfNrReJqLnJtbrCCNLSSQZynExRNMrJcYkY5NFpAr3VvwafHy20mmi OelfEPqfWapm3dwEBXBg6ip2Qkyu2nzDlQAmEn9QtDhYVzk3l48JdPtttpvfnbVgy3XM xs1pA4cjGDNxsduP+NQ7vqfiTV/9toVwcw9YlT4Onq2tHF7Sv3fHa2kCFv+GBinvqWXo Bwx3KmYBWMy7fh3Xg/I6fxtcWhfjYQm8/ySWFA6SpwL3TUM349XvtsKUFE78sbn83lLr 6cRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OE8fWqjYbgplNFYdQwBC9FowNMrrfuYyd5TjMSduSYs=; b=icekJfP6udsID6aphSn6rB61z8kwh1rJUrAU738KRrXLI+d7QIGri6iOXTa7jzNvwh V01FV5n/feCrKDMqbEDIdRZuXzQC5oyyh+FZf0Vz2i8unQ0+YTALWHxUG5I/sHJGsW0N HRw4T2Ehsu6q+uRTVhTZ+UkR6guTXbJ3Vnfpyjy+lkHMDgitsi4QBiyzy8r06m9AuhD4 XC0FZvhfeK8krcf10S6CrqqiDaeEQ9hPeiV1LjJF7FxmoHdyBQZb86Ug93rGTKFhbmCU CaJ6YJ6fLo2rrv++uXHdw6q5b7F+1fH0KNaOZYHdByPshJdBB8mxj+WQCJvFS3jqO2qe xJ7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutBQaDu2NMDtvkbkBDRrERnMUGTsbdUJfuaH6SaEivoYFa5DtmvClY04C/WCMt7QQ== X-Received: by 10.36.188.65 with SMTP id n62mr13933410ite.61.1470580817361; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.nflx.bsdimp.com ([50.253.99.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 97sm12270117ioi.12.2016.08.07.07.40.16 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Aug 2016 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: svn commit: r303716 - head/crypto/openssh From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <7237f5e6-fd65-a7e5-7751-4ed1c464b39a@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 08:40:14 -0600 Cc: Slawa Olhovchenkov , Bruce Simpson , Oliver Pinter , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4D28752C-0584-4294-9250-FA88B0C6E805@bsdimp.com> References: <201608031608.u73G8Mjq055909@repo.freebsd.org> <9a01870a-d99d-13a2-54bd-01d32616263c@fastmail.net> <30e655d1-1df7-5e2a-fccb-269e3cea4684@freebsd.org> <20160807125227.GC22212@zxy.spb.ru> <7237f5e6-fd65-a7e5-7751-4ed1c464b39a@freebsd.org> To: Andrey Chernov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 14:40:18 -0000 > On Aug 7, 2016, at 7:21 AM, Andrey Chernov wrote: >>=20 >>> We can't turn our security >>> team into compatibility team, by constantly restoring removed code, = such >>> code quickly becomes outdated and may add new security holes even = being >>> inactive. >>=20 >> What is security hole by present this ciphers in _client_? >=20 > It is obvious, but it will be better for you to ask openssh author = about > his decisions, I have no intention to act like explainer of his = action. That=E2=80=99s a cop-out answer. We, as a project, need to articulate to = our users, whom we care about, why this rather obnoxious hit to usability was taken. The answer must be more complete than =E2=80=9CWe just = disabled it because upstream disabled it for reasons we=E2=80=99re too lazy to = explain or document how to work around" Warner=