From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 3 14:48:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583EE106566B for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rik@inse.ru) Received: from ns.rikbsd.org (ns.rikbsd.org [95.143.215.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A17B8FC13 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (wn.rikbsd.org [192.168.1.254]) by ns.rikbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1A6D5CEA3; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EDA36C0.7090109@inse.ru> Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:48:32 +0400 From: Roman Kurakin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20110906) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jase Thew References: <20111202115446.GB25963@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <4ED9EAD0.3050207@beardz.net> In-Reply-To: <4ED9EAD0.3050207@beardz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-current , Peter Jeremy , Max Khon Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:48:31 -0000 Jase Thew wrote: > On 03/12/2011 09:21, Roman Kurakin wrote: >> Doug Barton wrote: >>> [...] >>> The fact that we have so many people who are radically >>> change-averse, no >>> matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. >>> >>> This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the >>> majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it must be >>> the >>> default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as part of the >>> overall operating SYSTEM. >> You are right in general, except one small factor. We are talking about >> bootstrap. >> CVS is used by many as the one of the ways to get the sources to the >> freshly >> installed system to recompile to the last available source. It will >> become inconvenient >> to do it through the process of installing some ports for that. >> Especially if corresponding >> ports would require some other ports as dependences. > > As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, CVS doesn't cover > csup, a utility in base which allows you to obtain the source > trivially for the scenario you provide above. (Explicity ignoring > cvsup which requires a port). Does csup allows to checkout a random version from local cvs mirror? So better to say csup(cvsup) does not cover cvs. rik > Regards, > > Jase.