From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 17 05:18:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E1816A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from bragi.housing.ufl.edu (bragi.housing.ufl.edu [128.227.47.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2764543D45 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:18:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from WillS@housing.ufl.edu) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <0E972CEE334BFE4291CD07E056C76ED802E8683A@bragi.housing.ufl.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Pkg-based base system. Thread-Index: AcQMINNPv5h4yZcUQLWKiPCV3m4EKAAANfGg From: "Will Saxon" To: , "Sven Esbjerg" Subject: RE: Pkg-based base system. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:18:02 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: David O'Brien [mailto:dev-null@NUXI.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:11 AM > To: Sven Esbjerg > Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Pkg-based base system. >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 12:03:57PM +0100, Sven Esbjerg wrote: > > If the freebsd team is positive towards having parts of=20 > freebsd as packages I > > would like to commit some time into making this possible.=20 > Maybe not for 5.3 > > but for later releases. >=20 > I for one, am negative towards having parts of [base] freebsd as > packages. > =20 > > I understand this discussion can turn into a bikeshed=20 > situation. I hope it > > doesn't end there ;) >=20 > It was a bikeshed starting with the very first email starting this > thread... I'm not sure why this is such a big problem - I have certainly=20 wanted to remove e.g. BIND or sendmail after deciding to use=20 something else. I think it would be most useful in a situation where you have an already installed system that you then define NO_XXX=20 make variables for during a buildworld, and then want to clean out the old/unupdated stuff. On the other hand, I have been using Gentoo linux for awhile on this amd64 workstation and I have to say, what a pain in the ass it was to install! Imagine my surprise when I wanted to use traceroute and found I needed to install it as a package. And vi. And syslog. And cron! It was absurd. -Will