From nobody Sat Jan 22 08:35:23 2022 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836F31975A49 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 08:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JgqM62JB0z57gF; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 08:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 20M8ZNAu063498; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 00:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 00:35:23 -0800 From: Chris To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Deprecation of the ftp support in pkg In-Reply-To: References: <20220120142519.a5juoe75oppmnyby@aniel.nours.eu> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_b49a16acde1c8669051bd761a7143ebc" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JgqM62JB0z57gF X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US]; local_wl_ip(0.00)[24.113.41.81] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --=_b49a16acde1c8669051bd761a7143ebc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2022-01-22 00:09, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > 22 janv. 2022 08:47:57 Chris : > >> On 2022-01-21 23:31, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> 22 janv. 2022 08:25:47 Chris : >>> On 2022-01-20 06:25, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> We plan to remove the support for fetching packages over ftp for the >>>>> next >>>>> releases of pkg (probably 1.18) >>>> Must be a stupid question. But I'll ask anyway; Why the effort to start >>>> removing transports? >>> Because maintaining ftp has a cost, number of line of code, user support >>> etc. >>> if you have a strong reason to use ftp which >>>>> cannot be fixed by switching to any other supported protocols like ssh >>>>> or http, >>>>> please do share. >>>> Local repos. >>>> ftp(1) is cheap. Other transports are (usually) more expensive. >>>> >> Thanks for taking the time to reply. >> >>> ssh which is supported is as cheap if not cheaper. >> Technically that's incorrect. But as I see you've also rejected 2 other >> requests. It's >> clear that this topic is not actually up for debate. So I'll say no more on >> the subject. >>> Bapt >> -- Chris > > It is up for debate, I have been told we need something in base to which I > replied > ssh is in base, so fill that requirement, you have said it is cheap no > explaining > what you call cheap, I say ssh is cheap as well as in not more complicated > to > configure, provide a path and here we are. > > You asked the reason for the removal I explained them, if ftp was free of > cost I > won t care about keeping it. > > So up to now noone gave an detailed argument in favour of ftp, which ssh or > other > transport cannot provide as well. Fair enough. Sorry if I misunderstood. I find it's less "housekeeping" to use ftp(1) setup through inetd(8) for pkg repos, than via ssh. I have no keys to care for. I am able to setup enormous intranets w/o any key exchange. ftp/inetd is in base. It seems "cheaper" both in resources as well as setup / usage. This works equally well for internets with the addition of an allow list (IP addresses). Where anything not in that list is dropped. That's my take on it. 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