From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 5 09:51:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19052 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:51:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zaphod.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19027 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@zaphod.softweyr.com) Received: (from wes@localhost) by zaphod.softweyr.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id KAA05587; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:50:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes) Message-ID: <19990205105035.A5525@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:50:35 -0700 From: Wes Peters To: Licia Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Women in FreeBSD ( was Re: Is there a reseller program?) References: <36BA340E.BFE4E9B5@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Licia on Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 09:31:52AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Feb 05, 1999 at 09:31:52AM -0600, Licia wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > Licia wrote: > > > I tend to lurk so much primarily because I've had enough extremely > > > unpleasant experiences regarding technical material in other forums (IRC for > > > example) to make me very leary of exposing myself to such behavior again. > > > > Ugh, IRC. I gave that up about 4 months after it started; it became > > painfully aware that it was just an extension of the Compu$serve "cb > > channels," with about the same level of maturity. And this was in > > 1994 -- I don't even want to imagine how much worse it is now. ;^) > > I've left off and on but usually returned in the hopes that I could find a > group of intelligent, mature people to chat with. I've since given up hope > and discontinued my use of IRC and have gone so far as to remove all my IRC > software. > > I now spend the majority of my online time on my own telnet BBS, where I can > be assured that spam, trolls, etc, simply will not be accepted. :) > > > > The result is I tend not to make comments in the technical lists, unless it's > > > something I feel fairly sure I will not be maltreated over. > > > > You need an attitude adjustment - who's to say the opinion of the idiot > > at the other end of the socket connection has any validity AT ALL, let > > alone more validity than yours? > > Oh, that's not how I feel at all. I've been programming since I was 10 years > old (that's 18 years for those who are counting :) ) and I'm fairly confident That's nearly as many as me, but I didn't start quite so young. Why, when I was a kid, computers were as big as a house... ;^) (Actually the PDP-11 was just coming out when I was 10.) > about my skills and I take the time to reason out my opinions and ideas. I > tend to lurk to avoid abuse. I wondered about that, since your contributions to -advocacy have always seemed confident, and you haven't seemed to shy away from differences in opinion. I agree with Don Wilde, all opinions are welcomed as long as stated politely, and opinions will necessarily differ. If they didn't, we'd never accomplish anything here. > If I am confident that something I'm considering saying will not result in > more abuse than I feel the issue is worth, I post. If not, I don't. I post > as much as I do on advocacy, simply because I feel strongly about what needs > to be done in these areas, and I've discovered that I quite enjoy the work > involved. Great. Now write some articles somewhere. You're obviously a good writer, and FreeBSD needs your help. Can you write for Daemon News? An occasional article would be great, a regular column (or contributing to one of our existing columns) would be even better. > (for those who are counting, I have given away my entire original order of > 1,250 FreeBSD pens and re-ordered! :) ) What do I have to do to get one? Order my own and give away the rest? Those would be great for user group meetings, wouldn't they? > I have noticed that the lists are much less prone to that type of behavior > than IRC, but old habits die hard, and it will be a while I am sure before I > am completely comfortable with things. Additionally, I am a bit more active > on the FreeBSD Applications Developer mailing list. If someone posts on > there, I most likely -will- reply to them, as applications are currently my > main area of interest. That'd make a nice column for Daemon News. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message