From nobody Mon Jul 20 17:38:51 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4h3nnG59dmz6mHsd; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo63.interia.pl (smtpo63.interia.pl [217.74.67.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4h3nnF45V3z3Y0k; Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=dk header.b=Awn0EHHR; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vermaden@interia.pl designates 217.74.67.63 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vermaden@interia.pl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=interia.pl Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 19:38:51 +0200 From: vermaden Subject: Re: Tragic State of FreeBSD Audio/Sound To: Rozhuk Ivan Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org" X-Mailer: interia.pl/pf09 In-Reply-To: <20260720202746.45869b21@rimwks.local> References: <20260720202746.45869b21@rimwks.local> X-Originating-IP: 45.148.42.2 Message-Id: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=dk; t=1784569134; bh=jddCrGwv11v9yXMKg2Ucazow5PV1ANze6sHcxt7Nwbw=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Message-Id:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Awn0EHHRCWN71ad2ee9PAMzLzVYLBJvMTA2kPWNdSvVolPMbpezQ19D3iL6VNb2O7 oP/sPuxGgcur4JwB9F/qkrQ10wRSjEmJrM+1wuYJ09EwVXyFN7UCqhg/yavN41ZzIS VAQYTA/VhwlZY9fb+DvFbpOiobYvQg/sr+tiHPy4= X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.08 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[interia.pl,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.74.64.0/22]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(-0.20)[217.74.67.63:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[interia.pl:s=dk]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; SUSPICIOUS_AUTH_ORIGIN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[interia.pl:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org,freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org,freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[interia.pl]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16138, ipnet:217.74.64.0/22, country:PL]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[interia.pl:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4h3nnF45V3z3Y0k X-Spamd-Bar: -- > > I will not even start about PITA syntax of mixer(1) which went into > > this: > > > > % mixer -f ${DEV} vol.volume=+0.05 > > Just use gtk-mixer, avail in ports. > > In recent years, I haven't noticed any bugs > in the operation of the OSS. I do it by scripts anyway ... but I needed to rewrite all my scripts because of these changes ... and this change in syntax was bad from at least three perspectives: 1. It happened in 'point' release (like from .2 to .3) - not in new major release - breaking stuff for EVERYONE. 2. It happened without any reason - the tool could do the same with old syntax underneath - the new syntax does not introduce anything new - it just has different syntax. 3. As FreeBSD (at least up to some time ago) cherished the POLA principle WHY the old syntax could not been also kept and accepted? ... and yes - I also think that 'gtk-mixer' works well - so is 'dsbmixer' tool. Regards, vermaden