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Date:      Sat, 1 Dec 2012 08:52:52 +0000
From:      Chris Rees <utisoft@gmail.com>
To:        Stanislav Sedov <stas@freebsd.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Eitan Adler <eadler@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r243554 - in head/usr.sbin/pkg_install: add create delete info lib updating version
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On 30 Nov 2012 22:41, "Stanislav Sedov" <stas@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:38:47 +0100
> Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org> mentioned:
>
> >
> > pkg is no more experimental at all, it is not perfect there are large
rooms for
> > improvements, but it is perfectly ready to be used, if you have any
concern
> > about some missing "feature" just report it;
> >
> > Concerning a landmine, when you have big flashy lights all over the
place:
> >
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-announce/2012-October/000032.html
> >
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2012-October/037001.html
> > a fanfare playing in front of it saying beware landsmine:
> > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revision&revision=305637
> > and maps available all over the places to explains where the mine are
how to
> > workaround them, or be mine proof:
> > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/CHANGES (entry 20121010)
> > http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/UPDATING (entry 20121010)
> >
> > I'd say in that case it is no more considered as a landmine but just a
new safe
> > way.
>
> It is a new way forced on users.  I didn't ask to use pkgng on my system,
neither
> I got any warning when it silently stopped creating entries in
/var/db/pkg.  Do
> you expect all users to read UPDATING and/or svn commit logs each time
they update?

UPDATING, yes.  Also as I reminded you in IRC last week, users of -CURRENT
are expected to follow -current@.  Users of ports are also strongly
recommended to read -ports-announce.

> Switching to pkgng was not a community descision, it was a decision made
by a small
> group of people (alledgedly, considering input from the community).
 Personally,
> I don't see why it should be that way, and why the default had to be
forceably
> changed.  It is an open question (at least for me) whether pkgng is any
better
> than the old tools, and there is at least on drawback in using pkgng,
namely sqlite
> database, which will make you lose all packages in the case of a small fs
corruption.
> That problem was raised before numerous times starting when developing a
new pkg
> tool was proposed.  But it is a design decision, and I respect it.  What
I don't
> like is that the switch to the new pkg system lacks any legitemacy, as it
was largely
> a portmgr descision.  If instead you ran it alongside for some time and
it ended up
> being used by majority of users compared to the legacy pkg, and then
pulled the switch,
> then it'd a different story.
>
> The bottom line is that I ended up with a corrupted pkg database for no
particular
> reason.  And it didn't have to be that way.

What are you trying to achieve here?  You discussed this previously, and
got exactly the same answer.  There were extensive discussions over it in
ports@.

You got burned because you weren't paying attention.  Get over it.

Chris



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