Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:48:50 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@mavetju.org> To: Maxim Sobolev <sobomax@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Akinori MUSHA <knu@iDaemons.org>, portmgr@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Thoughts about ports freeze Message-ID: <20021220134850.GY50581@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20021220131339.GB11573@vega.vega.com> References: <20021220001529.GC9963@vega.vega.com> <86lm2ls3ei.wl@archon.local.idaemons.org> <20021220131339.GB11573@vega.vega.com>
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:13:39PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Well, all this is fine, but doesn't answer one of my main points: why > do we shift responsibility for our inability to encourage fellow developers > to pay attention to CURRENT not only to stable to our end users? And I > doubt that such tactic will bring anything but users' dissatisfaction, > because even a year-long freeze will not help to encourage reluctant > developer, who doesn't have 5.0 and therefore doesn't care about it, > to fix something. The only things that can push him into doing it > are (a) if he will use 5.0 on day-to-day basis or (b) he will be > flooded with problem reports from angry users running 5.0. The current > freeze won't lead to neither (a), nor (b), instead it (from my own > experience) leads to: (c) user makes a conclusion that FreeBSD > release-engineering process sucks. Chicken and egg problem. Ports for 5.x don't get fixed until 5.0 gets out and comes into the hands of a bigger group of people. For example, until a week ago I didn't have access (well, not strictly true) access to a 5.0 machine. And now I have it only because there is one in the FreeBSD serverfarm. For me the ban can be lifted. I've gone through the list of problems and done all I can. The ones I couldn't do are just too weird for me (or I gave up after an hour looking at it). Please don't expect me to fix problems in the code of others due to thighter rules that the C compiler uses. If it isn't something obvious which can be fixed in ten minutes, it's too complicated and the maintainer / original author should have a look at it(*). Right now I'm going 1443 and rising (well, actually 790 if you only take the un-assigned ones) (*) Note that I don't mind spending time with the author about it. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/weblog.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message
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