From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun Aug 26 22:22:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BD21084AB2; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 368F573B2E; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id g18-v6so8663258itg.2; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QjtdDPlm0M6MQYdA8TVvRLcJWMyj/HEwfMWAVTHET4Q=; b=o6bX4Jlswg7uSh0iEuGic5HCeLYz6o5eEMcXcR/rYetlT7rZLsIa9Ewo9lMP7wCc55 cTsJetyujUiEV+xXjdrlJUkAj5PTvrxWAbizoUKFSSFVy46c6ChpvntWN0xN7GYgig2T MaCW8sHeg5C30pKQoYA8JX37cMEItkCnYa1aNaAI5XqdLpcBHI36t8nbf/VmAH9XY+eo tefoYfMjRDdNiZVySzbv/2O8vr5DP9gzJu5IuThbKP1CXIrlAUiPmIJHxNdE2VBjusps yFd3XbOJ/S63UYLU9Pd1E6p+ieN8wg9bAuxtDX7x9NTM+0XQcsmzq0n1Fk1iuY22/vml Ij9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QjtdDPlm0M6MQYdA8TVvRLcJWMyj/HEwfMWAVTHET4Q=; b=b2+I9jFFase669TKbFDy2z4kxDzlZnKs6E+clAroFZZgYmb0HVTM+NBO7ZbBlMffmC aUGUiJSNo4376FHIowC5sz2zcBl1Lzwa2h1eRJsZfUUoA+jj9pfTvcB+wwJIyJBm6r/w fN1kj3VsrOrZHYupvXhLt4WAs2e+iNDKNs4tB60Rla7hmCJgXap2bJC0+qArWMBOSaFm GLNn1Hz9qUvrqJiN31+TKEhMRYjBTtMdPW4qBva+XXrJCGj+gOPOHgCci2B+hrSrMjDW NhmI6Beo7l+1BygTpvtdzCyqOlb8+uK7tm8NU5jHJGc0R8irn1q0Xqxp8wyddXqHDQqe zyaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CBZ+uSZl1ByafCO1AdNDd8F7a/aXGgDPe6E7evGpyyisCdYtoD w9bSkdaZO7wbAXwVzQf9+St7OjH5nNqtJo2WF2o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZGRenmnuc/ZxqyNJUUMG44iDt/iNJxqxMYI8Erk6QI84v3DlbUJMWHtBbxquJMIvxC8400xicxmIyPVFVd2xc= X-Received: by 2002:a24:d0d6:: with SMTP id m205-v6mr4886905itg.89.1535322129645; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:22:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180824215302.ivfna55jtrtc5trg@freebsd480.station> <86k1oepbdr.fsf@next.des.no> <180f8f99-5fa1-1411-59e6-856e3ebc370c@cameron.net> <86d0u5otu4.fsf@next.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86d0u5otu4.fsf@next.des.no> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 06:21:57 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: drm / drm2 removal in 12 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Cc: Hans Petter Selasky , pmcnary@cameron.net, Johannes Lundberg , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, mmacy@freebsd.org, Ali Abdallah , FreeBSD current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:22:10 -0000 On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 2:39 AM Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote= : > blubee blubeeme writes: > > Hans Petter Selasky writes: > > > Are you here to try to stir a conflict? If so that is not > > > appreciated. > > Hans, you of all people should know that's not true. > > And yet here we are. > > You have made it perfectly clear that you are not interested in an > honest discussion. Your entire strategy is to wear people down until > they either leave or agree with you just to shut you up. Like Hans > Petter says, it is not appreciated. > > You clearly believe that you know better than anyone else how this > should be handled, so instead of telling us, I suggest you just go do > it. It only takes seconds to fork the FreeBSD mirror on Github, and a > few minutes to clone it onto your machine. We look forward to hearing > from you again when you have everything working perfectly and seamlessly > out of the box for everybody on any equipment. I'm sure that Johannes, > Niclas, Warner and others with a century of combined experience will be > thrilled to see you succeed where they, by your account, have failed. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no You seem to miss the point where the you avoid breaking the system for any users not on the bleeding edge. You technically adept guys can keep on hacking away, jumping through hoops and building your stuff as you see fit. Nobody will come take your steal your code away in the night. Feel free to keep on working on it, until implementing it doesn't break "old users" do the engineering work and improve your implementation. There are so many seemingly dead code projects around this linuxkpi stuff that you guys just pump out code and abandon inconsistent lack of documentation, lack of testing, it's just a huge mess. Work on cleaning all that stuff up and bring something sensible to the table, you cannot put onus on the core team to maintain that mess going forward because you're not capable of doing it yourselves.