From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 19:23:45 2008 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FF31065677 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-102.bluehost.com [69.89.22.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BBAB8FC0C for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 7051 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 19:23:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:23:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Pu1JkZV58Vu3Rg8eVwaGqJLYMm2uq2XaclnFtrsG0TrKq0/JrmO1gmi2bJK63ww/Tr2C9gXkPuf5MPfIr4ERf5eK8H+VOPzEEbBcWc0TIDWruIV/D3nKvIHLtn4dyq/j; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <perrin@apotheon.com>) id 1L2WAn-0003V4-Rd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:42 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:23:53 -0700 From: Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081118192353.GC4787@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:45 -0000 --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:18:13PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >=20 > >By constantly repeating that UNIX is no Windows replacement you are >=20 > and i will repeat it because it's true. it's every other unix replacement. It did a quite admirable job of replacing MS Windows for me. I don't know why you're so down on it. >=20 > as linux tries for many years to be windows replacement - it's both low= =20 > end unix and low end windows replacement, "windows for poor". Replacing MS Windows is not the same as becoming MS Windows. Ubuntu has been pursuing the specter of MS Windows feature parity for a while, and as a result has become something I have no interest in touching. Meanwhile, PC-BSD has been pursuing the goal of *replacing* MS Windows, which is not at all the same thing as *becoming* MS Windows, and it seems to be doing a great job of that without adopting MS Windows' flaws. The only limitation on the quality of PC-BSD, in my experience, seems to be KDE, but I've long since given up caring about the default GUI facade on open source OSes, since they *all* use KDE or GNOME (except a rare few that use XFCE by default, when they want something "light"). KDE and GNOME (and even XFCE) are frighteningly bloated user environments that seem lightweight only in comparison with the even more awfully huge and lumbering GUIs of MS Windows and Apple MacOS X -- so I just take it as a given that every OS in the world uses something bloated and cumbersome for its GUI, and resolve to either not install the GUI (if that's an option) or uninstall the GUI after the system is installed, then install something different in its place. In other words, there's basically no escaping the problems inherent in something like KDE, GNOME, or even XFCE if you go with default GUI setup -- but aside from that, PC-BSD is doing an excellent job of becoming the definitive MS Windows replacement OS without adopting MS Windows problems. =2E . . and, as I said, FreeBSD is a great MS Windows replacement for me. I don't miss MS Windows *at all* when I'm using FreeBSD on my laptop every single day. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Larry Wall: "What is the sound of Perl? Is it not the sound of a wall that people have stopped banging their heads against?" --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjFkkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXFxgCgpn6+Dzac2rxnf0q/ksV1C23L XqAAn3uQMiticIeks/NWxWSOYv5QKSUP =TfPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f0KYrhQ4vYSV2aJu--