Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:38:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> To: worldly BSD <worldlybsd@yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: no questions? Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0006271336370.10988-100000@rac4.wam.umd.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000627173422.5153.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com>
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Alright, I just hate to see people get turned off of FreeBSD because they ask a question on one of the mailing lists, and get yelled at about it... when all that's needed is a simple "sorry, I'll answer it this time, but next time you have a question of this nature ... please post here" or something similar. Just my 2 cents.... ================================================================= | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade | | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 | | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr | | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction) | | College Park. | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| ================================================================= On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > Kenneth, > > Thank you very much but the question has been > answered. Unfortunately, I was already in the process > of re-installing. No worries, it gives me a chance to > update/change some stuff around. > > As for the "jumping down your throat", I think my > reply to both the newbies and the questions list > addresses this issue. > > Thank You once again, > > > --- Kenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> wrote: > > I didn't see what question you asked.. would you > > mind asking me? I don't > > know if I'll be able to help but I'm not gonna jump > > down your throat the > > way some of the people on the lists will.... > > > > > > > ================================================================= > > | Kenneth Culver | FreeBSD: The best NT > > upgrade | > > | Unix Systems Administrator | ICQ #: 24767726 > > | > > | and student at The | AIM: muythaibxr > > | > > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under > > Construction) | > > | College Park. | > > http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/| > > > ================================================================= > > > > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, worldly BSD wrote: > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > Being that I am the person whom you are bashing, I > > > would like to point out a couple of things. > > > > > > First, I have read, read and read. Such things as, > > Man > > > pages, Greg's FreeBSD book and the Online > > Handbook. I > > > do not recall reading where <bash> is the default > > > shell ! Second, I am a system administrator <SGI & > > > MAC> and I know the importance of "helping > > yourself > > > BEFORE asking for help". Third, FreeBSD is not > > <IMHO> > > > an easy OS to install and learn on the fly. It > > > requires <again, IMHO> alot of understanding that > > may > > > or may not come easy to everyone and since there > > is > > > not as many reading resources as other OS, I > > would > > > think that the FreeBSD community would welcome new > > > users their questions, no matter where they get > > > posted. > > > > > > If the FreeBSD community wants to gain more users > > then > > > this type of elitist attitude may have to get > > shelved. > > > Yes, I understand that most people with an elitist > > > attitude never see that they have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rick Hamell <hamellr@aracnet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Umm... NO....! This is why questions are not > > > > supposed to be asked > > > > > >on -newbies. > > > > > > > > > > I thought -newbies was meant for newbies' > > > > questions.. > > > > > If not, could anyone, explain to little me, > > what's > > > > the purpose of it? > > > > > > > > That is part of the problem. If you read the > > First > > > > Aid kit post > > > > that Sue posts about once a month, it explains > > what > > > > this group is > > > > for. Essentially, questions are meant to be of a > > > > 'WHERE' to get > > > > help/information for those of us who maybe > > taking > > > > their first steps into > > > > FreeBSD/Unix. -Questions is for HOW questions. > > > > For instance, if I ask how to configure IPFW, > > that > > > > belongs in > > > > questions, but if I ask where to find more info, > > > > this would be the > > > > place. On the same token if I just spent 42 > > hours > > > > getting my DSL running > > > > with Natd and IPFW and want to tell others about > > it, > > > > this is the > > > > place. This is also the place to make > > suggestions on > > > > how to improve the > > > > newbie friendlieness of FreeBSD (though you'll > > most > > > > likely be told to go > > > > ahead and fix it. :) > > > > The reason why questions are not answered here > > is > > > > for the very > > > > reason I pointed out yesterday. Newbies haven't > > read > > > > all the > > > > documentation, they've not used the system a lot > > > > yet, they've not spent > > > > enough time reading -Questions to know what the > > > > common problems are. The > > > > question I refer to yesterday comes up about > > once > > > > every two weeks on > > > > -questions, and there are step by step > > instructions > > > > on how to fix that > > > > problem. > > > > The person who answered was wrong through > > simple > > > > ignorance, which > > > > I grant is not his fault. But if he'd learned a > > > > little bit more he would > > > > know that BASH is the default shell for root and > > > > should never, ever be > > > > changed under any Unix system. He was also not > > given > > > > any useful > > > > information on HOW to fix the problem. If that > > > > person was say a system > > > > admin new to FreeBSD and his job (and company!) > > rely > > > > upon that system > > > > being up... He could possibly lose his job > > because > > > > he was given the wrong > > > > information to attempt to fix a problem. > > > > Now, I'm not trying to put anybody down, I > > merely > > > > wish to > > > > preserve this group, it serves a useful purpose > > for > > > > the Newbie. But if the > > > > powers that be see to many questions being > > answered > > > > here, and worse yet > > > > answered wrong, they will remove this group, > > > > especially in light of how > > > > much trouble it was for Sue and others to create > > it > > > > in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to > > majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body > > of > > > > the message > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! 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