From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 27 18:40:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D101065670; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E31C8FC1C; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (unknown [209.249.190.124]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96CD4B963; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:24:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/8.2-CBSD-20110714-p17; KDE/4.5.5; amd64; ; ) References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <20120826200246.GC3535@grinsebacke.dyndns.org> <503A8921.6010609@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <503A8921.6010609@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201208271224.20329.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: namor , Doug Barton Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:40:36 -0000 On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: > The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the > base magically deleting themselves. > > As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is being > overblown by several orders of magnitude. For newly installed systems > where pkg is the default, /usr/local/bin/pkg will be installed. So there > is no bootstrapping problem. > > For already-installed systems who wish to switch to pkg, they can > install from /usr/ports, or use the pkg bootstrap tool in the base. > Given that they will be intentionally making this change, and there will > be instructions written up on how to do this which include the > bootstrapping step, once again this is a non-issue. > > The whole idea of having every call to /usr/local/sbin/pkg pass through > /usr/sbin/pkg in order to help a tiny minority of users with a one-time > bootstrapping issue is just plain ludicrous. I agree. Even if we keep /usr/sbin/pkg, we will presumably want to remove it from the base in a year or so via 'make delete-old', etc. Given that, I'm not sure we need it there in the first place. -- John Baldwin