From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 14:20:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E840510656A7 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:20:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480678FC2B for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:20:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Footer: b3NlLm5s Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)); Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:20:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5228A3.1080707@ose.nl> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:20:19 +0100 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F511496.50106@hm.net.br> <4F512BBB.9000403@ose.nl> <4F51E1E5.3000202@hm.net.br> In-Reply-To: <4F51E1E5.3000202@hm.net.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:20:23 -0000 On 03/03/2012 10:18 AM, H wrote: > Bas Smeelen wrote: >> On 03/02/2012 07:42 PM, H wrote: >>> Doug Barton wrote: >>>> ... and here is the crux of the problem. The vast majority of our >>>> developers don't use FreeBSD as their regular workstation. So it has >>>> increasingly become an OS where changes are being lobbed over the wall >>>> by developers who don't run systems that those changes affect. That's >>>> no way to run a railroad. Doug >>> wow >>> >>> since it is not April 1st it must be revelation's day ...:) >>> >>> is this then the bottomline ? >>> >>> if [ $using_ports=YES ]; get_screwed($big_time); fi >>> >>> >> Hey people >> >> There are still a lot of us which might not be smart enough or lack >> the resources to help you debug issues but we still use and depend on >> FreeBSD, and we test, and hopefully give you some debugging hints >> >> I have some production servers running on STABLE and even some on >> CURRENT to stress our developers, but most run RELEASE and use >> freebsd-update >> >> Keep up the good work, it makes me a more confident sysadmin >> Ports is the best thing happening to me after going through al the apt >> and other stuff > you talk like the wind blows my friend ... > > remembering your own most recent words in another occasion what > certainly do not match your last sentence ... The last sentences: In short: FreeBSD makes you think about what you are doing beforehand which makes a great way to upgrade/ update application, database e.g. on servers whithout running into service downtime. Other OS's don't or do it less. I like that a lot, it saves a lot of incoming phone calls. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-January/237779.html > >> / On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelen> wrote: > />/ > />/> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500 > />/> David Jackson> wrote: > />/> > />/> > I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages > />/> > on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried: > />/> > > /... >> /> > > />/> > All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in an > />/> > unuseable state. > />/> > /.... >> / > />/ > />/ I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to > />/ compile anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs > />/ and would rather install some packages and have it all work right > />/ away. Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. It > />/ should be easy for FreeBSD to make it easy to install the most recent > />/ versions of all binary packages, its beyond belief they cannot pull > />/ off such a simple ans straight forward, and basic part of any OS. / > > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email