From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 24 17:52:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ermis.cc.duth.gr (ermis.cc.duth.gr [192.108.114.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366F437B419 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duth.gr (foo.duth.gr [193.92.210.14]) by ermis.cc.duth.gr (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8P0qM355865; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:52:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kkonstan@duth.gr) Message-ID: <3BAFD532.6ED7A320@duth.gr> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:52:02 +0300 From: Konstantinos Konstantinidis Organization: We've heard of it. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en, el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Technical Information Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: helping victims of terror References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010924170815.0180aee8@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010924191808.0227cf28@threespace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Technical Information wrote: > But even if the CIA was involved in training and arming these people, it > was NOT done in the name of terrorism. It was made in the interest of > stopping the spread of Communism, which has been part of our national > directive for decades now. Let me ask you a question - is fighting the spread of Communism any more just a cause than fighting the spread of Capitalism? It's not a question of ideology mind you, and please don't take it as such. Just think about it. What would happen for example if things went differently, and today the USSR was still intact, the USA was split instead, and some of the USSR supported "organizations" decided there was not much left as far as Capitalism is concerned, and decided to fight back Communism instead. This is quite a simplistic thoeretical outcome, but let me restate your sentence now to suit this hypothetical situation: "But even if the KGB was involved in training and arming these people, it was NOT done in the name of terrorism. It was made in the interest of stopping the spread of Capitalism, which has been part of our national directive for decades now." What do you think about that? The only element that changed was ideology, and suddenly it doesn't make much sense to someone that believes in a free market and whatnot, does it? It is quite easy to let ideology blind you... The fact is that the CIA has created a monster (numerous ones mind you, but we'll just talk about the ones at hand right now) and God knows what promises it made to them appart from offering weapons and training. Well, there's not much left as far as Communism is concerned to fight against, and now they're fighting back because once they became useless they were more of a liability than an asset and were promptly left to their own devices. --kkonstan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message