From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Tue Oct 24 01:10:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3409E3087A; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E97767434; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id r129so22123855lff.8; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZboOZVl0nIACsuyzxRDNJSmPYeLUor75y7l61mcEXjQ=; b=XMO8Z1GuBMQviChZeFizydHK9VZCDVtOyq4fy9ZeTz8Fat6O9wstwhnRbkMBjLRLyS st54s4KkUll8UGOeSDqDgRzc08m5bZQtC330CNGojrBKbd7zYuuYjKJ2N9UDflAgbDhj AlytCgIfe57I6hSkahZgqi3PkEXImPXSMtasAfh48CsmhvKOzU5xr4pNjj+V8PwaHD1a 3vSmUWn+fY2NrQHcPMQqzTqEqOIw4MFE+3r4TbznaUv5y4Txaqf9x8gvvi5FWuFEvl29 H0HBBZJ4Tfm/Te56n4kL7MDEzCCJC3ckUmSNPUgJV783MouuNbTM7wJ1zwEDTmjCYD/u B8jQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZboOZVl0nIACsuyzxRDNJSmPYeLUor75y7l61mcEXjQ=; b=cCvPQ2LY8lNpPsnG2fdgZQd619fXDhwDD9HvemKtFOAP+doBkK+LoIyMhXsPhOMuNf qicKbbV3ukNsnkYq8iO/QDp60tycOYDQoLnPP/6/Sy0Qbzey0JJB4ilTqu15jBmAhz0C 73Es8gfjLgrhFM0fE/RQVIvO3FjD3g3w+Qu9dQHebfko3lqXKQ/BYAqPw61ppFLLn6uo oy942FgL1YX/r3xMJwP3uyHJ7169Gd0cDzPG+Qjn+HFadW06+Mth60s4SVgdM58SznUE IaqjwuklNTcxSB3mZmNQpLPBLh7MuikcJja420p+yirwUTf3/wzzLa83QX9ufnr6mZUr eRow== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXq3sqDGszMsBqrRIf5a/gGBHAH0OLAGEhATdyDnkeOecwd/FRf a3j/29ShlMBAN3rHw3WLP/M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QytgGuoosSzODoCt+/3qvVlUwAea/azsslwU7ylOzRyJR1cwZYlBC2Dgc13gHslSCLzpQyow== X-Received: by 10.25.41.85 with SMTP id p82mr5897548lfp.186.1508807430911; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rimwks ([185.44.68.92]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n63sm2283888ljb.1.2017.10.23.18.10.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Rozhuk Ivan X-Google-Original-From: Rozhuk Ivan Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 04:09:25 +0300 To: "Simon J. Gerraty" Cc: Eric McCorkle , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trust system write-up Message-ID: <20171024040925.1918f3cb@rimwks> In-Reply-To: <67125.1508777074@kaos.jnpr.net> References: <1a9bbbf6-d975-0e77-b199-eb1ec0486c8a@metricspace.net> <20171023071120.GA72383@blogreen.org> <67125.1508777074@kaos.jnpr.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:10:34 -0000 On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:44:34 -0700 "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: > With the advent of secure boot and TPM's, there is potentially scope > to allow for mixed control. TPM is closed hardware and software: you dont know what inside and how it works. Secure boot same crap: closed source with many known security holes.