From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 7 23:40:34 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2784106564A for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A947F8FC12 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12426 invoked by uid 0); 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2010 23:40:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=HLDnwitBfO6WwotDI7N1OIc8ygH1YW1mtuvq8zkLoQB7cDOgz1r31NNfH/1eIvOUsa9udOxozCaF40I2VYiH2bQdSUTPc6LnXEzH7WPoOAu8xrAw+THKVTuf/yfJJxIg; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P404d-0004sJ-VS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:40:33 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:35:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 17:35:55 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20101007233555.GA81108@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201010072247.o97MlNUC023450@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Like it or not, Theo has a point... freebsd is shipping export-restricted software in the core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 23:40:34 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 05:47:23PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: >=20 > Pure and simple, _if_ there is software involved, there *MAY* be export- > control issues. >=20 > *ANYONE* in the business of exporting software _should_ be aware of that > fact, and as a matter of basic 'due diligence' know about _their_ national > laws on the matter, and how/where to find out what kinds of software are > restricted, and on what basis. Anyone who stores software on GitHub, BitBucket, or SourceForge could conceivably be accuse of being "in the software export business" -- but I bet very few people who use those services ever think about that. Of course, practically speaking, the chances of ending up in US court simply for putting some simple home-brewed CMS on BitBucket are probably pretty slim, in my non-lawyer opinion. Still . . . not having a moment where one thinks about the possibility seems like a pretty clear indication that it is rare for a non-lawyer to consider *all* the possible ways to get in legal trouble for "exporting" software. I do not really think that implying someone is stupid for failing to consider all possibilities is productive, especially since if we all had to get legal help every time we started a GitHub project, we would have considerably fewer GitHub projects in the world. >=20 > It is worth noting that since the original software author (Intel) put the > "it is possible an export license may be required under some circumstance= s" > notice on their software that anyone who takes said notice -off- had bett= er > have (1) a -solid- professionally-rendered legal opinion that no such lic= ense > is required under _any_ circumstances, and (2) massive liability insuance > in case they are wrong. They could also just ask Intel, I suppose. There must be *someone* there who has the job of answering questions like this. I am pretty sure that Intel's stable of lawyers isn't as big as IBM's, but it might be close to the size of the US DOJ. Even if Intel said "Sure, go ahead, we don't care," I'd still be inclined to seek further advice more concerned with my own legal safety before removing any legal notices though -- aside from the tags on my matresses and pillows (for instance). --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkyuWVsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWYDACgnpKcG1c2GWxJxg+tWtr5+gwq keMAoKEqyLRYSX2KQm2EkwsCkqUNJOs3 =YQKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS--