Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 04:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /root on a separate dataset breaks FreeBSD-base installation Message-ID: <202004121143.03CBh3s3027010@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: <90ddb61f-4bac-b000-0ba6-4fe0c485d45e@gjunka.com>
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> > The norm is there are very few cross directory links and > > this is very rarely an issue unless someone modifies the > > system in a way outside of the norm. Having /root as a > > seperate dataset is outside the norm. Note this also > > places /root outside of the boot environment directory > > which may bring other issues in the future. > > > > Ports should all install stuff inder the /usr/local hierarchy > > and that is usually self contained, so hard links are not > > an issue there. > > > > Further note, if you have made /usr/local its own dataset > > your defanitly going to have issues with boot environments > > if you try to run more than 1 version of FreeBSD as /usr/local > > is pretty version dependent. > > > > /var is a whole nother crap mess with boot environments, > > pkg and multiple versions cause pkg stores its caches > > and databases in /var and /var is not part of the BE. > > > That's exactly my thinking. Boot environments might work for servers > where there are very few packages installed on host directly and the > host is usually running dedicated jails. But it's another story on a > desktop where the system and all packages take 17GB. I don't want to be > reinstalling everything manually whenever I upgrade the base system and > I don't want to deal with pkg having to work across multiple boot > environments. > > For desktop my preference is to keep one copy of /usr/local, var, tmp, > root, home, and so on, so essentially just have the base system and > basic configuration versioned in the boot environment. Sure, some > packages won't work properly, but that's easy to fix. I build them with > newer base on another system then reinstall all of them on the desktop. > > I don't consider /root as part of the base system. Here we disagree, I consider /root very much a part of the base system and it should be pretty much unused. And I am a person that logs in as root and su -'s out to user accounts, but I still do not use /root as a normal home directory, everything else is done and stored some other place. Do understand you can have more than 1 uid 0 account on a system :-) > A hardlink doesn't > make it part of a base system. The fact that it is shipped with the base system, created by the base system installer, and is pretty much a mandatory required directoy, however does make it very much part of the base system. > It's home directory for the /root user, > where I often have larger files that I either copy to install or just as > a backup of some parts of the system. I would never store backup's in /root! > Versioning it per boot environment > wouldn't make sense. Double edge sword. The set of tweaks needed in .cshrc or .profile may vary by version of FreeBSD installed. > --GrzegorzJ -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org
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