From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 19 21:45:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4FF16A41C; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:45:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from pasmtp.tele.dk (pasmtp.tele.dk [193.162.159.95]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10A243D4C; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:45:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (0x535c0e2a.sgnxx1.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.92.14.42]) by pasmtp.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3B41EC305; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:45:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5JLj41u069187; Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:45:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Matthew D. Fuller" From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:36:12 CDT." <20050619213612.GD8597@over-yonder.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:45:04 +0200 Message-ID: <69186.1119217504@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk Cc: Robert Watson , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Summary: experiences with NanoBSD, successes and nits on a Soekris 4801 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:45:17 -0000 In message <20050619213612.GD8597@over-yonder.net>, "Matthew D. Fuller" writes: >On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 09:36:03PM +0200 I heard the voice of >Poul-Henning Kamp, and lo! it spake thus: >> >> The major obstacle is the "cutting things down to size" process >> using NO_FOO options. > >I have to wonder if exclusion is a better route than inclusion. The main argument for exclusion is that with the sizes of flash media we have today, fitting all of FreeBSD onto the flash image may be a cheaper option than having somebody spend time finding out which bits to prune. Despite this, some machines have smaller or even very small flash, and some way to cater for these is necessary. Doing exclusion instead of inclusion means that the people who do the "uncommon thing" get to do the work. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.